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From: Caroline Letkeman <carolinel@telus.net>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Demand for Refund
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:57:10 -0800
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:16:57 +0100, ©Anti-Cult® -
www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ <Anti-Cult@galacticfederation.homeip.net>
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>On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:30:22 -0800.
>In Message-ID: <su24vtonhl6ibehkmid7agdejqpfe3g81t@4ax.com>
>From: Caroline Letkeman <carolinel@telus.net>.
>Organization: Lightlink Internet.
>Wrote on the subject: Demand for Refund:
>
>>Caroline Letkeman
>>104-9275 Mary Street
>>Chilliwack, B.C., Canada V2P 4H5
>>carolinel@telus.net
>>November 13, 2001
>>
>>
>>David Miscavige
>>Religious Technology Center
>>1710 Ivar Avenue, Suite 1100
>>Los Angeles, California 90028
>>E-Mail: info@scientology.net (Please forward)
>>
>>
>>Dear Mr. Miscavige:
>>
>>This is a request for a refund of all money I paid any Scientology
>>organization or entity for any service from 1975 to the present.
>>According to my calculations, I paid a total of $61,500 to your
>>organizations, as follows:
>>
>>Church of Scientology of British Columbia (1975-2001)...CDN
>>$10,225/USD $7,000
>>American Saint Hill Organization (ASHO) (1978-2001)...USD $2,000
>>Foothills Mission (ca 1985)...USD $500
>>Flag Service Organization (1988-2001)...USD $50,000
>>International Association of Scientologists (IAS) - 2001)...USD
>>$2,000 (Lifetime Membership)
>>
>>Total...USD $61,500
>>
>>According to L. Ron Hubbard's policy, it is command intention to
>>"promptly and immediately cause to be refunded every penny of the
>>money paid by any person who was dissatisfied with his or her
>>processing." -- HCO PL 23 October 1963 REFUND POLICY © 1963
L. Ron
>>Hubbard
>>
>>This refund policy was broadened by Hubbard to apply to not just
>>processing, but to all Scientology services. He wrote, e.g., "No
>>refund may be applied for successfully after three months from the end
>>of the last service rendered." -- HCO PL 1 August 1966 REFUND
>>ADDITION © 1966 L. Ron Hubbard.
>>
>>I am completely dissatisfied with all services I have ever taken in
>>Scientology, and wish to let this letter serve as my demand for a full
>>and complete refund. My last service was at the Vancouver
>>Organization (CSBC) on Sunday, November 11, 2001.
>
>Eh, your last service was 3 days ago? Well Caroline, either you meant
>Sunday, November 11, 2000, or perhaps you were OSA all the time after
>all, as I said.
>
>SAZ
Yeah, well my last service *was* like 3 days ago, eh.
When I joined Scn in 1975, I did not join a church, and so you can
imagine what an interesting thing it would be to actually attend a
Sunday service after all this time. It was indeed fascinating to see
how Scn management is trying to incorporate the illusion of corporate
religiosity into the scn inc. experience. (But ultimately, of
course, this too is dissatisfying.)
In 1977 I married a Sea Org member who was then stationed at the
Vancouver Organization as a "Flag Representative". The best man was
the Executive Director of Vancouver Org. And the "preacher" was
someone with an OSA post. [Sharpen your pencil, Anticult. ;-) ]
There was no chapel at the org--I had to rent a nearby church for the
wedding ceremony. The wedding reception was held in the Academy of
the Van org. Da-ta-taDA!
...so anyway, you can imagine my delight upon being ushered 24 years
later into an actual chapel with actual pews for an "actual" Sunday
service. But, as the service itself turned out to be very
unsatisfactory, my thoughts quickly returned from an excursion into
the possibilities for a repeat performance. My cognition was that
a) pews doth not a church make, and
b) a) above would not FN at the examiner, and
c) hoo girl, you have a wild sense of humor.
Sunday happened to be Remembrance Day, and there was some kind of an
event going on at a cenotaph near the org--marching band etc. At the
same time the "preacher" started in on the miscreants who don't
follow
Hubbard's "code of honor", the marching band outside started in on
some old-time Dixie propaganda tune. I could not keep my TRs in to
save my life--it was very unholy, and as such, quite unsatisfactory.
The group processing part of the service suffered repeated marching
band distractions as well, and I fear that my psyche will be forever
compromised with these mangled thoughts of religious militarism.
As much as I was completely dissatisfied with the Sunday service
however, I would not discourage anyone from attending Sunday services
in their own areas. Looking over the religious book they apparently
mass produce for standard chapel trappings is worth the price of
admission, imo. It is a gilt edge, black leatherette Bible-looking
thing. It appears that the form of the sunday service is like a
"model session" as well. As could be expected from Golden Age of
Tech
drilling procedures, there is nothing arbitrary about a Sunday
sermon--everything is done by the same "book". From it, the
"preacher" also gives the group processing commands, exactly as
Hubbard gave them at his own "sermons" (yeah, right) way back when.
Caroline Letkeman
>>Included in the table above is an entry in the amount of $2,000 for
>>IAS Lifetime Membership. I recognize that the IAS membership is not
>>a "service;" nevertheless, I believe a refund of the full
amount
I
>>paid for such "Lifetime Membership" is warranted as well.
The
act of
>>demanding a refund will cause all Scientology organizations to refuse
>>to train or process me at any time in the future. (Ref. HCO PL 23
>>October 1963 REFUND POLICY © 1963 L. Ron Hubbard) Thus my "
Lifetime
>>Membership" will not be a membership at all, and in that I am
>>completely dissatisfied.
>>
>>As I am completely dissatisfied with all my services, and as I am
>>confident that this dissatisfaction is permanent and will remain in
>>effect up to and including the end of this lifetime, I will also never
>>be able to receive any of the discounts I paid for and am promised as
>>an IAS member. This too is completely dissatisfying to me.
>>
>>I am sending copies of this letter to the various Scientology
>>organizations where I paid for services and which must participate in
>>this refund demand. I'm writing directly to you, Mr. Miscavige, so
>>that this refund process goes expeditiously and in accordance with the
>>stated command intention of L. Ron Hubbard. (Ref: HCO PL 23 October
>>1963 REFUND POLICY © 1963 L. Ron Hubbard), since you are in a
managing
>>position over all the organizations or entities involved.
>>
>>In advance of the suggestion, please be advised that I will not submit
>>to any further handlings by Scientologists, as I am dissatisfied with
>>all handlings I have ever received at any Scientology organization. I
>>will not go into any Scientology organization nor will I do any
>>routing form as a condition for your refund of my money.
>>
>>I look forward to your prompt handling of my refund.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Caroline Letkeman
>>
>>
>>Copies to:
>>
>>Church of Scientology of British Columbia
>>401 West Hastings Street
>>Vancouver, British Columbia
>>Canada V6B 1L5
>>E-mail: churchofscientologyvancouver@telus.net
>>
>>American Saint Hill Organization
>>1413 L. Ron Hubbard Way
>>Los Angeles, CA 90027
>>E-Mail: asho@earthlink.net
>>
>>Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization
>>210 South Fort Harrison Avenue
>>Clearwater, FL 33756
>>E-Mail: flagserviceorg@earthlink.net
>>
>>International Association of Scientologists
>>Saint Hill Manor
>>East Grinstead, West Sussex
>>England RH19 4JY
>>E-Mail: info@scientology.net
>>
>>US IAS Members Trust
>>1311 N. New Hampshire Avenue
>>Los Angeles, California 90027
>>E-Mail: info@scientology.net
>>
>>Church of Scientology Mission of The Foothills
>>2254 Honolulu Avenue
>>Montrose, CA 91020
>>E-mail: cofsfoothillmission@earthlink.net
>>
>>Usenet: alt.religion.scientology
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