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From: Gerry Armstrong <gerry@gerryarmstrong.org>
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On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:03:48 -0500, ptsc <ptsc <at> nym <
dot>
alias
<dot> net> wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:42 +0100, Gerry Armstrong <gerry
@gerryarmstrong.org>
>wrote:
>
>Fuck you, Armstrong. *plonk*
>
>ptsc
Rob, you snipped this:
[Quote]
On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:58:49 -0800, ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT
cryptofortress DOT com> wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:29:05 +0100, Gerry Armstrong <gerry
@gerryarmstrong.org>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 02:42:52 +0000, ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT
>>cryptofortress DOT com> wrote:
>>>Gerry Armstrong describes me as OSA on his insane hate page,
>>No, Rob. You've stated that lie over and over, and it's still just
a
>>lie.
>
>What do you mean, then by "Usenet's Black PR and Ops."
Well, your posts where you pretend to be really stupid to viciously
attack Scientology's fair game victims are patent black PR. They serve
Scientology's fair game purposes. You have to be pretend really really
hard to be really really stupid not to see it.
When you do that you are doing OSA's work. I don't care if you're
getting paid zip or if you're getting paid $800,000 a year. You don't
say what your consideration is. You are helping Scientology in
attacking its fair game victims just as they want.
I am not saying that others who may not be OSA staff or formally run
operatives are not also doing OSA's work, so don't in your amazing
pretended stupidity claim that. There are times, I am quite sure, when
things I have done have also helped forward OSA's fair game goals. If
I find I have, and at all times, I try to use the best reason and
wisdom I can to thwart and not forward Scientology's fair game goals.
But you are doing it here willfully and flagrantly, and in and with
pretended stupidity, which is a hallmark of OSA's usenet ops.
>
>>>a page that proves he has snapped his last tether to reality.
Why
>>>does he describe me as "Scientology's Usenet Black PR and
Ops?"
>>No, Rob. That's just another lie by you. Your hate posts about me
are
>
>Look, jackass, that's the title of the fucking page. Look at your own
goddamn
>page! The TITLE of the page is "Scientology's Usenet Black PR and
Ops?"
>and all it contains are posts including mine. What do you think people
will
>think you MEAN BY THE TITLE "Scientology's Usenet Black PR and
Ops?"
Well if they don't pretend really really really hard to be really
really really stupid, or pretend really really hard to be really
really stupid, or even pretend really hard to be really stupid, they
will think that the people on the GOoN sQUaD FOLLIES page are a.r.s.
participants who claim to not be formally employed OSA staff or
formally operated OSA agents but who, in and with pretended stupidity,
forward OSA's purposes by attacking the Scientology cult's fair game
victims.
>
>Goddamn I'm sick of your fucking lying, especially combining it with
>lying about me lying, when you're the one lying about you lying,
>lying about me lying, and lying about lying in general.
There you go, pretending really really really hard to be really really
really stupid. Even the people pretending really really hard to be
really really stupid can't pretend to be stupid enough to not notice
that in all that really really really pretended stupidity you haven't
identified even one lie.
>
>If you don't intend to convey the message, then stop doing it, but
>the moment you lie about doing it, you're going to get called on it.
Well yes, but that isn't what I'm doing, and it isn't what you're
doing. But by pretending really really really hard to be really really
really stupid you can even pretend you've convinced yourself.
>
>I am not in any way "Scientology's Usenet Black PR and Ops."
This
>is a lie and a kooky lie at that.
Okay, bowing to your really really really pretended stupidity, but
without accepting your pretended really really really stupid logic and
misinterpretation, I've changed the html page title to state: "posts
by a.r.s. participants who claim to not be formally employed OSA staff
or formally operated OSA agents but who, in and with pretended
stupidity, forward OSA's purposes by attacking the Scientology cult's
fair game victims."
>
>It is kooky to have a hate page calling people "Scientology's
Usenet
>Black PR and Ops" who aren't. It's a kooky hate page. What's
exponentially
>more kooky though is to put people on your kooky hate page for doing
>nothing more than saying that your kooky hate page is kooky.
There you go with another giant whopper. Identify one person on the
GOoN sQUaD FOLLIES page who is there for doing nothing more than
saying it's kooky. You alone are there because you are an a.r.s.
participant who claims to not be formally employed OSA staff or
formally operated OSA agents but who, in and with pretended stupidity,
forwards OSA's purposes by attacking the Scientology cult's fair game
victims.
Please see my complete post below to refresh yourself on the black PR
attack line. You've been saying, and got your goon squad saying, that
I put them on the GOoN sQUaD FOLLIES page for doing nothing more than
"disagreeing" with me. Now you claim that it's for doing nothing
more
than saying the page is kooky. You should only run one program at a
time. As Hubbard said, "It takes a while to beat a program into the
public mind." HCOPL February 3, 1969, "Public Image." You
think
"kooky" will fly a bit better than "disagreement?"
>
>What is pathetic is that now people will have to evaluate your other
>commentary on things like Scientology on the fact that you will put
>up a dishonest, misleading, kooky hate page on people as revenge
>for them having said that your kooky hate page is kooky.
Another whopper. It's not a hate page, except in that it evidences a
collection of hate posts by a.r.s. participants who claim to not be
formally employed OSA staff or formally operated OSA agents but who,
in and with pretended stupidity, forward OSA's purposes by attacking
the Scientology cult's fair game victims.
>
>It is a defamatory slur and a lie to describe me as "Scientology
's Usenet
>Black PR and Ops."
No it is not. You have to pretend really really really hard to be
really really really stupid to arrive at this conclusion.
> It simply isn't true and you know it isn't true. The only
>reason you have done it is out of revenge and hate, because I have had
>the temerity to describe your kooky hate page as kooky.
No, Rob, the only thing hateful on the page is much of the content of
statements in the posts by the a.r.s. participants gracing the page,
who claim to not be formally employed OSA staff or formally operated
OSA agents, but who, in and with pretended stupidity, forward OSA's
purposes by attacking the Scientology cult's fair game victims.
> What kooky
>thing did you do in response to this? Why, you archived my posts
describing
>your kooky hate page as kooky on your kooky hate page entitled
>"Scientology's Usenet Black PR and Ops," a lie and a kooky
lie at
that,
>which both you and I and everyone reading this know to be a lie and
>a kooky lie. You know that I am not "Scientology's Usenet Black
PR and
>Ops," but yet you robotically repeat it and robotically archive
posts
>describing your kooky hate page as kooky on the very kooky hate page
>those posts describe.
No, Rob, you know, as I know that you know, since I know your
pretended stupidity is pretended, that you are doing exactly what I
have been saying -- in and with pretended stupidity you are forwarding
OSA's purposes by attacking the Scientology cult's fair game victims.
A couple of the targets of the goons who are doing this dirty work
decided to show the world what you're doing, and if you can see what
you're doing maybe get you to stop. Now don't pretend to be really
really really really really stupid and claim we're trying to shudder
you into silence. That's the goons' and OSA's hat.The hate is shown in
your hate posts. If you stop pretending to be stupid you could find
the reason and wisdom to stop doing it.
>
>What is most pathetic about this is that you apparently do not even
realize
>how kooky and dishonest this is.
No Rob, you have long since, by devoting yourself to pretended
stupidity, lost whatever probity or authority you had to preach to
anyone but your fellows with the same devotion.
>
>Perhaps you're pretending to be stupid and perhaps you really are.
>I can't figure it out.
No, you have to pretend to be really really really really stupid to
not be able to figure it out. But thanks for at least pretending to
start to think like me.
>
>As for the rest of your post, as long as it is based on the lie with
which
>you open it, there's really no point debating the rest of it. The page
is
>indeed entitled "Scientology's Usenet Black PR and Ops" and
to sane
>people, this conveys an intent that you wish to describe the people
>archived on that page as "Scientology's Usenet Black PR and Ops,
"
>the 's at the end of Scientology conveying that those archived on the
>page somehow belong to Scientology or are of Scientology, a statement
>of fact which is a lie, which I know to be a lie, which you know to be
a lie,
>which Caroline knows to be a lie and which everyone reading this knows
>to be a flat-out, bald-faced lie.
Not to everyone. Only to the folks who pretend to be really really
really stupid.
Here, try to think through this. The html page title at
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/index.html is
"Gerry Armstrong--Scientology's Black Propaganda and Black Ops"
Included on that page are these documents:
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/police/gates-announcement.html
a public announcement by LAPD Chief Daryl Gates;
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/police/jorgenson-ltr-1985-12-
03.html
a letter to me from LA DDA Robert N. Jorgenson;
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/dragojevik-ltr-1984-11-
09.html
a letter to cult attorney John Peterson from my attorney Julia
Dragojevic;
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/police/boeckman-ltr-1986-03-
10.html
a letter to me from LA City Attorney Byron Boeckman.
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/police/ga-ltr-boeckman-1985-
12-19.html
a letter from me to Boeckman.
Now, without pretending to be really really really stupid, do you
really really really believe that anyone but a goon or two pretending
to be really really really stupid believes that I'm flat-out
bald-faced lying and am calling or describing Gates, Jorgenson,
Dragojevic, Boeckman and me "Scientology's Black Propaganda and Black
Ops?"
>
>What helps Scientology is not for me to point out that your bald-
faced,
>kooky lies lies are bald-faced, kooky lies. Nor does it help
Scientology
>for me to point out that your kooky hate page is a kooky hate page.
>What helps Scientology is for you to have a kooky hate page based on
>bald-faced, kooky lies.
Since the only kooky lies on the page are yours and the lies of the
other goon squad troupers, I doubt that you'd get even the really
really really really really really stupid to go for your pretended
logic.
>
>That helps Scientology a lot, and is entirely your doing.
I'm sure you can find at least six goons who will pretend to agree
completely with you.
>
>ptsc
Thank you. And here's the whole post, most of which you snipped, for
everyone's ease of study.
[Quote]
On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 02:42:52 +0000, ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT
cryptofortress DOT com> wrote:
>Gerry Armstrong describes me as OSA on his insane hate page,
No, Rob. You've stated that lie over and over, and it's still just a
lie.
>a page that proves he has snapped his last tether to reality. Why
>does he describe me as "Scientology's Usenet Black PR and Ops?
"
No, Rob. That's just another lie by you. Your hate posts about me are
black PR. You help Scientology against me. You don't have to do it.
You don't have to pretend to be stupid. If you do have to pretend to
be stupid, that would support a conclusion that you're OSA. But I have
never stated that you're OSA or an OSA employee, and your assertion
that I have is a lie.
>
>Simple.
>
>Because I said it was kooky to have a page falsely describing people
>in this defamatory manner who weren't.
No, Rob. It's because you attack, in and with pretended stupidity,
Scientology's fair game victims. In that you forward OSA's goals. You
do OSA's dirty work.I think you have to pretend to be stupid in order
to do so, but I could be wrong.
> That, alone, is enough to
>get you on Gerry Armstrong's kooky hate page. If you disagree with
>him, you're a criminal.
No, Rob, it's this sort of lie, hatred and black PR which gets you on
the page.
You've repeated your black PR that "disagreeing" with me gets
you
called a "criminal" and gets you on the page, which I believe
you know
to be a lie and black PR, several times.
[Quote]
The only thing in common between all those people is that they've
disagreed with him.
[End Quote]
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[Quote]
Of these 12, there is credible reason to believe that about 2 of them
are OSA. The rest of them have done nothing but disagree with
Gerry Jihad.
[End Quote]
Message-ID: <c7ditucfveipo0vjhknlq4u38rk90dejf4@4ax.com>
[Quote]
Here on this one, it's apparent that all you have to do to
get on Gerry's hate page is to disagree with him that it's
a kooky idea to have a hate page in the first place.
[End Quote]
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[Quote]
Considering that the people have basically disagreed with him, I see
the parallel to OSA is in his own conduct.
[End Quote]
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You've got all sorts of folks dancing to the same black PR tune:
Tigger:
[Quote]
Trying to " shudder into silence" those who disagree with
[me]
[End Quote]
Message-ID:
<17080-3DDA4F5C-407@storefull-2271.public.lawson.webtv.net>
Starshadow:
[Quote]
There are a number of people who call themselves critics who have
pretty much disgusted me over the past several months. This is the
first one who's put me on a DA page simply for disagreeing with him
though.
[End Quote]
Message-ID: <3DDA5CF2.9060505@starshadowlovesxenu.net>
Claire:
[Quote]
Is it true that anyone who disagrees with [Arnie Lerma] or Gerry is
automatically a Dept 20 operative?
[End Quote]
Message-ID: <3dd97049@news2.lightlink.com>
Starshadow:
<quote.
I am a bit hurt and angry by your support of the tactics of these two
against anyone who speaks out disagreeing with them.
<end quote>
Message-ID: <3DECD5D9.30206@starshadowlovesxenu.net>
>
>Gerry Armstrong, you're a piece of shit and a coward.
Because I disagree with you right? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
What can I do in response to your hate posts, your viciousness, your
black propaganda, your pretended stupidity? Put your posts up on the
GOoN sQUaD FOLLIES page.
It has never been tried before. There has never been any real attempt
to put some light on your sort of vicious pretended stupidity. I think
many people are just shuddered into silence. There too you forward
OSA's goals for a.r.s. Good people who would support my cause against
Scientology fair game withhold their support because of the kind of
vicious attacks on them that gets the goons put on the GOoN sQUaD
FOLLIES page. There too you forward OSA's goal for my destruction.
If you and the other goons spoke the truth, here's how the above
quoted black PR lines would look:
Rob Clark:
Quote]
The only thing in common between all those people is that they've
forwarded OSA's goals by attacking, in and with pretended stupidity,
Scientology's fair game victims.
[End Quote]
[Quote]
Of these 12, there is credible reason to believe that about 2 of them
are OSA. The rest of them have done nothing but forward OSA's goals
by attacking, in and with pretended stupidity, Scientology's fair game
victims.
[End Quote]
[Quote]
Here on this one, it's apparent that all you have to do to
get on Gerry's hate page is to forward OSA's goals by attacking, in
and with pretended stupidity, Scientology's fair game victims.
[End Quote]
[Quote]
Considering that the people have basically forwarded OSA's goals by
attacking, in and with pretended stupidity, Scientology's fair game
victims., I see no parallel to OSA is in his own conduct.
[End Quote]
Tigger:
[Quote]
Trying to " shudder into silence" those who've forwarded
OSA's goals
by
attacking, in and with pretended stupidity, Scientology's fair game
victims.
[End Quote]
Starshadow:
[Quote]
This is the first one who's put me on a DA page simply for forwarding
OSA's goals by attacking, in and with pretended stupidity,
Scientology's fair game victims though.
[End Quote]
Claire:
[Quote]
Is it true that anyone who forwards OSA's goals by attacking, in and
with pretended stupidity, Scientology's fair game victims is
automatically a Dept 20 operative?
[End Quote]
Starshadow:
<quote.
I am a bit hurt and angry by your support of the tactics of these two
against anyone who forwards OSA's goals by attacking, in and with
pretended stupidity, Scientology's fair game victims.
<end quote>
Lots of people disagree with me but do not forward OSA's goals by
attacking, in and with pretended stupidity, Scientology's fair game
victims and are not on the GOoN sQUaD FOLLIES page. Your lie that the
people who forward OSA's goals by attacking, in and with pretended
stupidity, Scientology's fair game victims, are on the GOoN sQUaD
FOLLIES page because they "disagree" with me is black PR, which
itself
forwards OSA's goals by attacking, in and with pretended stupidity,
Scientology's fair game victims.
> I state
>unequivocally that I am not OSA, nor am I "Scientology's Usenet
>Black PR and Ops."
Who said you were? Oh, the strawman. LFBD
No, Rob, I say that in your pretended stupidity, and your attacks and
black PR of Scientology's fair game victims, you are forwarding
Scientology's black PR and ops.
> You are on notice that your defamatory lie
>is just that, a defamatory lie, and you continue to spout such lies
>at the peril of the loss of your reputation.
No, Rob, it is you who is lying. What you state that I've said I've
never said. You are pretending to be stupid just to be able to lie.
Again, I could be wrong about the pretense. But so far you haven't
proven it. Until you prove me wrong, I will state that you know that
you're lying, and that the stupidity necessary to keep lying is
pretended.
>
>While your lies are clearly libelous, I won't sue.
You have yet to point out even one lie. That is why you won't sue. You
know very well that in a court of law it would be shown beyond a
starshadow of a doubt that you are viciously, falsely black PRing
Scientology's significant fair game victims, and that in doing so you
are forwarding Scientology's fair game goals.
> The damage you
>do to your own reputation is more than you will ever do to me
>with your filthy lies.
Since you have shown not one lie, I believe that your hate posts, such
as this one to which I am responding, on the GOoN sQUaD FOLLIES page
will reflect your reputation, and will not damage mine.
Gerry
>
>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/usenet/goon-squad-
follies.html
>
>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/usenet/ars-ptsc-2002-11-18-
3.html
>
>From: ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT cryptofortress DOT com>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>Subject: Gerry Jihad kooks out
>Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:50:08 -0500
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>On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:37:41 +0100, Gerry Armstrong <gerry
@gerryarmstrong.org>
>wrote:
>
>>Brand new babes will strut their stuff. Come one come all.
>>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/usenet/goon-squad-
follies.html
>
>Way to go, Gerry Jihad.
>
>You should put a fat lady there, too, singing an aria for the death
>of your credibility.
>
>Good job. You've beat out Lerma by having an OSA page that
>doesn't include a single active OSA agent except possibly Keith Wyatt.
>
>Here's Gerry's list of OSA:
>
>Deana Holmes
>Rebecca Hartong
>Diane Richardson
>Cerridwen
>Fluffygirl (Claire Swazey)
>Pookie
>Cerridwen
>Scarff (close enough)
>Keith Wyatt (that one I'll give you)
>Gandalf
>Starshadow
>Tigger
>
>Of these 12, there is credible reason to believe that about 2 of them
>are OSA. The rest of them have done nothing but disagree with
>Gerry Jihad.
>
>To those of you who may think that Gerry is not, in fact, calling them
>OSA, I defy you to explain exactly why the letters "OSA" are
twice
>the size of the other letters in this graphic:
>
>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/images/marquee.jpg
>Assuming a lack of "pure coincidence" for this, what is your
interpretation?
>
>IMO, it is chickenshit, stating that the people on the page are OSA
>while doing it in such a way that the loon doing it can slither back
>from it and claim not to have been saying that after all when he is
>later called on it (as I am doing now).
>
>ptsc
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
[End Quote]
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
[End Quote]
The reason why you snipped this post and killfiled me rather than
respond and rationally debate the points I've made is obvious to all
but the few who can muster the requisite tonnage of pretended
stupidity to pretend to not see.
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org