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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

ORAL DEPOSITION OF

VICKI J. AZNARAN

 

On the 22nd day of June, 1988, at

10:00 a.m., the oral deposition of the above-named

witness was taken at the instance of the Defendants

before Roger W. Miller, Certified Shorthand Reporter

in and for the State of Texas, at the offices of

Cohan, Simpson, Cowlishaw, Aranza & Wulff,

in the City of Dallas, County of Dallas, State of

Texas, pursuant the agreement hereinbefore set

forth.

COPY

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because I was just doing missions.

Q      Who was the head of the CMO at that time?

A      Part of the time, John Nelson was, and

part of the time Dee Dee Residorf's sister, but I

can't think of her name. Gail.

Q      Gail Reisdorf or Gail --

A      The mother of --

Q      Irwin, Gail Irwin?

A      Yes.

Q      Now, although -- did you destroy these

documents in the Guardian's Office on your own

origination or were you ordered to do so?

A      Ordered to do so.

Q      And who ordered you to do so?

A      Steve Marlowe. M-a-r-l-o-w-e, I believe.

Q      Now, you also testified that in 1984 you

removed documents from Gerald Armstrong's PC folder

to keep these documents from going to court.

Remember that?

A      Yes.

Q      Were you a Deputy IG -- Deputy Inspector

General at the Religious Technology Center at that

time?

A      Or Inspector General.

Q      Or Inspector General? And did you have

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custody and control of Armstrong's PC folder?

A      I did for a certain time period, yes.

Q      During what time period?

A      I don't remember. Might have been 1985

or sometime in 1984.

Q      Well, now, in what case were these PC

folders going to court?

A      I believe it was a suit that the church

had brought against Jerry Armstrong.

Q      The suit that the church brought against

Armstrong?

A      I think so.

Q      And did you remove these documents from

Mr. Armstrong's PC folder on your own origination or

on somebody's instructions?

A      I can't remember exactly how it came

about. The folders were with the Office of Special

Affairs, and there was -- I think that Judge

Breckenridge had ordered them turned over. And I

was informed by this -- of this by someone at OSA,

and I am not positive right now who informed me of

the Judge's order. And seems like there was a

meeting or something about it or -- I'm really not

real clear on how it started. And then I had the PC

folders brought over to RTC in LA, where I went

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through them and removed things from them. And some

of those things I destroyed, and some of them I put

away or gave to someone in OSA, I believe.

Q      My question is: Did you do that own your

own origination or did somebody order you to do it?

A      Well, I believe I was told to do it, but

I can't remember who, right now.

Q      Do you recall that, during that period of

time, you had two positions, your position at RTC

and the position of CO, OSA Int.?

A      No, I wasn't CO, OSA Int. at that time.

Q      When were you commanding officer of OSA

Int.?

A      I believe it was for two or three months

in late -- in 1984.

Q      Which two or three months?

A      I don't honestly recall. I think it was

late, like October. No, November, maybe September,

October, November.

Q      Did you ever inform Gerald Armstrong that

you did this?

A      No.

Q      Did you ever inform Michael Flynn that

you did this?

A      No.

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I, Roger W. Miller, Certified Shorthand

Reporter in and for the State of Texas, certify that

the foregoing deposition of VICKI J. AZNARAN was

reported stenographically by me at the time and place

indicated, said witness having been placed under oath

by me, and that the deposition is a true record of

the testimony given by the witness.

I further certify that I am neither counsel for

nor related to any party in this cause and am not

financially interested in its outcome.

Given under my hand and seal of office on this

the 22nd day of June, 1988.

My commission expires December 31, 1988.

STANLEY, HARRIS, RICE 720-4567

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