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FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES DEPARTMENT NO. 57 HON. PAUL G. BRECKENRIDGE, JR., JUDGE
REPORTERS' TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS Thursday, May 3, 1984
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LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA; THURSDAY, MAY 3, 1984; 9:15 A.M. -o0o-
Robert N. Harris, H-a-r-r-i-s, and I have been associated in representing the Church of Scientology of California.
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am not going to rule on it at this time. I'll simply it off calendar -- on second thought, I won't put it off calendar. I'll deny it without prejudice. I'm not disposed to do that.
in presenting this thing for the plaintiff? Let's try to get our act organized.
the opening, I'll present an opening on behalf of both plaintiffs. Our plan with respect to direct, one of the other counsel will present the direct on this particular witness.
be the only lawyer that will be permitted to object on cross-examination or argue to the court on rulings. I don't want a triumverate of lawyers arguing each objection for one side or the other. It is the same rule for the defense as well.
would like to make clear, Your Honor. One of the reasons there is separate counsel for the church and Mrs. Hubbard is we feel the way the case is framed, there are separate issues that apply to each. We'll designate one counsel for each plaintiff to act. And we'll not -- essentially the person who handles the direct will be the main lawyer on the plaintiff's side to take responsibility for that. But I don't want to be precluded or have Mr. Harris precluded from being able to act with respect to the particular client that is being represented on a matter that comes up. That is |
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all.
In terms of presentation of the evidence, it is my under- standing that the plaintiff should go first; present its case and then the intervenor should proceed and present her case.
evidence would overlap anyway. I don't really see that we should try to departmentalize the evidence. I'll let the plaintiff present their evidence as they see fit.
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maybe to clarify a little more, in other words, rather than the plaintiff proceed, the defendant conduct the cross, the intervenor proceed and the defendant conduct the cross, I was wondering what the court had in mind?
witnesses, then the intervenor examine the witnesses and then me?
We don't intend to have Mr. Harris do a direct and then me do another direct or a cross or whatever. So that is not a problem.
witnesses, depending on the circumstances, both counsel for the plaintiffs may examine at that stage, but in terms of our case that is not our intention.
Mr. Litt, then you can conduct your examination, and I will ask Mr. Harris if he has any additional questions he wants to elicit on direct examination at this point because the interests are basically allied, and than defense will have an opportunity to cross-examine, and there will be rebuttal.
entire trial unless I am called as a witness, in which event Miss Dragojevic will conduct that part of the trial when I am on the witness stand. |
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identified by the parties as exhibits they, at least initially intend to use in this trial; are they up here? Shouldn't we order these up here now at this time so we have them available or are we going to be needing them?
not to introduce any documents that are under seal, at least until such time as that court has admitted them by the defendant over our objection. The court is obviously aware of the reasons for that, so we don't see the necessity of them at this time, at least.
open the door from the beginning by trying to bring them in through our witnesses.
I don't know. With reference to some of these exhibits, I don't know.
out from the bulk of the documents? Are they in a separate box now?
additional, are they in envelopes as I understand it or something?
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was in one box and the defendant was in another.
exhibit list of the exhibits that have been designated?
clerk?
and I should have a copy.
identified as ones they propose to use, possibly use.
We pulled the ones that we thought were relevant to the issues in the case.
I am with you up to double Z and then you have got 3-A, 3-B, 3-C.
letter system, we would have had to go to four A's and then put four A's in a row on a piece of paper, so rather than put four A's, we put 4 dash A.
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Honor. It is no different. We submitted a separate list of sealed documents, separate frown our regular exhibit list.
they are just sequentially numbered. My suggestion would be that any such sealed documents begin instead of with 1, with 101 and then we will have from 1 to 100.
Your Honor.
will introduce is the letter from Mr. Hubbard. That is presently in the court file. The original, I don't believe, is up here.
agreeable to the court and the defendant or we can order the original up, but the court will have to do that.
the issue of its admissibility in terms of the availability of Mr. Hubbard. We are in the process of subpoenaing a witness who we think will be pretty much able to provide the court conclusive evidence of Mr. Hubbard's availability so as to make the document inadmissible. If the court was going to take it de bene and until we had the opportunity to put on our evidence with regard to his availability, that is a possible point of procedure. But we would object to its admissibility at this point in time if for no other reason on the grounds of the availability of Mr. Hubbard. |
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a word which I didn't understand which was "de bene." Is that a legal word that Your Honor is familiar with?
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can identify it.
Has Judge Cole specially marked it?
it placed in the file. The date of it is February, '83, to the extent that that helps find where it is.
specially by the clerk.
here alone with the other exhibits.
get these exhibits up here and see what order they are in so that the clerk can get an opportunity to see how we can handle these up here at least mechanically.
gentlemen?
these exhibits up here.
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the record reflect that all counsel are present.
the exhibits identified by the parties are now in court and are available to the parties if and when there is a request for such.
statement?
statement brief. One advantage of having waived a jury is that I don't have to explain to the court, obviously, how some of the evidence works. But I do want to summarize for the court the evidence that we'll present which will establish that Mr. Armstrong has committed the torts which we have claimed in the complaint and which will establish that we are entitled to receive back the originals and copies of all of the materials presently under seal. |
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a story of the betrayal of a sacred trust held by Gerald Armstrong who was entrusted by the Church of Scientology to care for the very private papers and archives held by the church, mainly composed of the private papers of L. Ron Hubbard, also of many private papers of Mary Sue Hubbard and of the church itself.
these papers, many originals and copies of these papers, gave then to Michael Flynn for the purpose of using them to attack the Hubbards, to invade their privacy, and in an effort to discredit by using their most personal and private materials.
revered founder of the religion of Scientology, and within Scientology he is revered as the man who has developed the religion which is followed by millions of people around the world.
court today with us, have been married for over 30 years. Mr. Hubbard presently is in seclusion. His whereabouts are not known. He has been in seclusion for the past four years and he is not personally available.
within the Church of Scientology known as the controller post, and I will explain that more. I just want to briefly cover the parties and the actors so that we are all clear on who they are. |
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which is the other plaintiff along with Mrs. Hubbard, is a religious corporation which was founded in 1954 and bases itself upon the philosophy and religious views of L. Ron Hubbard
a staff member for the period when he held the post of archivist. When Mr. Armstrong held that post, he believed in Scientology, was a dedicated member of the Church of Scientology. Later after he left the church, he went and obtained copies of the materials that he had gathered as I have described.
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private papers. He gave them to him so that Mr. Flynn could use them in the way that I described previously, in an antagonistic way.
church and of the Hubbards. And Mr. Flynn has millions of dollars at stake in this litigation. He represents plaintiffs who are suing for many millions of dollars.
Mr. Flynn was in furtherance of an effort to use these -- to gain these millions.
which are the subject of this action, encompass approximately 8- to l0,000 pages. There are many private materials, including letters between Mr. and Mrs. Hubbard, letters between Mr. Hubbard and his first two wives, letters between Mr. Hubbard and his parents, letters from his parents to Mr. Hubbard, and to Mrs. Hubbard, and material relating to Mr. and Mrs. Hubbard's children; a premarital agreement between Mr. and Mrs. Hubbard; private journals and diaries; letters to attorneys; internal church matters, business correspondence, and a variety of other personal and private materials.
have a value that in straight economic terms -- which is not their only value from the church's and from the Hubbard's point of view -- that is in the millions of dollars.
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of thousands of dollars including an original
unpublished manuscript carbon which by itself has a value which is hard to calculate which is a book called Excalibur which is legendary within Scientology and has never been published and considered the first writing of Mr. Hubbard on the subject of the spirit.
the story of these materials in some ways begins when they packed up materials at the time that they were living in Washington D.C. which was in approximately 1959; the Hubbards moved around a great deal.
abroad. At this point Mrs. Hubbard personally packed the private possessions that she and her husband had collected over the years including many materials which were her husband's from prior to their marriage. These were stored in Washington D.C. and they were stored there for some 17 years or so until the middle to late '70's when the materials were moved from the storage to Church of Scientology facilities; subsequently to facilities called Gilman Hot Springs.
private storage of the Hubbards. It was called R storage, R referring to Ron, Mr. Hubbard. Not only did it have the various -- many of the various private materials that I have described, it had furniture, clothing, and a whole range of private possessions of all types that were maintained there. That is the origin of one of the sets of materials under seal as I'll further describe. |
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runs from the mid 1960's to the 1970's that were gathered up from England. These mere materials of a similar nature, private materials of the Hubbards that had been gathered over the years that they had spent primarily in England.
called the Apollo which was a ship that the Hubbards and many Scientologist spent several years on. These materials at the time that the ship finally stopped sailing, which was in approximately 1975, they were brought from the ship and was stored with the church under Mrs. Hubbard's direct control.
controller's archives, as I mentioned before.
controller which is not a financial position as one might think in terms of determining corporations, that it was a post that involved coordinating external affairs and the internal management of the churches. There are many private materials from these controller archives, many originals which have ended up before the court. And in addition, there are a variety of materials from other files, personal files maintained within various church organizations concerning the Hubbards.
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within the Scientology structure that he be permitted to hold this post and he was assigned to this post. The function of this post was to gather and preserve materials relating to Mr. Hubbard.
many of which I have already described. These materials were, in fact, we will demonstrate not known to Mrs. Hubbard and from what we can determine to Mr. Hubbard to, in fact, be taken by anyone. Mrs. Hubbard, who was supposed to be told about activities relating to her and her husband's storage, was not informed that Mrs. Hubbard -- I am sorry, that Mr. Armstrong was gathering the private and personal materials that had been stored by them over the years, nor would she have given her permission for Mr. Armstrong to do so.
church this was not known and we do not contend that what Mr. Armstrong did in and of itself in taking the materials and gathering them was wrongful. Mr. Armstrong put these materials together at a Church of Scientology facility at what is called the Cedars Complex which is where they were moved to. He gathered up the materials from Gilman Hot Springs, some 25-or-so boxes. He moved them to church facilities at the Cedars Complex. He organized them. He took extreme precautions to maintain their confidentiality, their security and their safety. He was provided church moneys to do so. He was provided church moneys to purchase |
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materials for these archives which he expended.
various binders. The doors were always locked. It was extremely difficult to get access. Normal church staff members could not have access to this. Only a very small number of people could have access because it was recognized that these were private and confidential papers and that they were very valuable papers and that they were to be treated with the greatest care.
1981 Mr. Armstrong got from the controller's archives a small number of materials with Mrs. Hubbard's approval. These controller's archives were materials for which there was an archivist in charge of them who will testify, and he had been informed by Mrs. Hubbard that in these materials, which had come from the ships originally and then had been added to their, were what were rightfully archive materials and there were also personal materials that were not rightfully archive materials that were personal storage materials.
for what Mrs. Hubbard thought was a museum, materials of historical interest because there was a plan to develop a museum concerning Mr. Hubbard.
charge of the controller's archives whose name was Tom Vorm and requested some materials.
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and the materials themselves for her personal
review to determine whether or not they had been provided to Mr. Armstrong. After she reviewed them, Mrs. Hubbard approved those and, as the court will see, the list of those materials are materials of the type that would be of use to a museum or of general historical interest.
fall of 1980, a contract concerning a biography of L. Ron Hubbard was entered into. This contract was entered into between a corporation called AOSH-DK which was a Scientology -- not a Church of Scientology of California corporation, but a Scientology corporation located in Denmark, and Omar Garrison who was to be the biographer.
it up included the fact that the biography to be drafted by Mr. Garrison was subject to the approval of the publisher, and it was the understanding of the parties that that would include submission to Mr. Hubbard and to Mrs. Hubbard for review and approval. If the biography was not satisfactory, there was a provision that the book would not be published and Mr. Garrison would be paid a certain amount of money if an agreement could not be reached as to what the text of the biography should be and what should be in it and what should not be in it. The biography contract contained a clause that in writing the biography, there shall be no invasion of anyone's privacy.
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because part of the terms of the contract, which
by the way Mrs. Hubbard was generally aware of, she was not involved in any negotiations but she was kept apprised of what was going on in general with respect to the contract. The Denmark company, the AOSH-DK Denmark corporation had agreed that it would make an effort to provide various previously unavailable materials concerning Mr. Hubbard and provide a research assistant and an office for Mr. Garrison to work out of.
Scientology of California requesting that the the Church of Scientology of California provide an office and provide a researcher. The Church of Scientology of California agreed and passed a Board minute pursuant to that agreement.
Scientology of California to assist Mr. Garrison. Indeed it was contemplated even before that that Mr. Armstrong would assist Mr. Garrison if the biography, in fact, developed.
materials that he had gathered and provide them to Mr. Garrison. He provided these to Mr. Garrison on a confidential basis. That is Mr. Garrison's testimony. That is Mr. Armstrong's testimony. He considered the materials extremely private. In fact, Mr. Garrison describes the materials; he said that if he had to give a one-line description, they would be the private papers of L. Ron Hubbard.
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included not only materials of Mr. Hubbard but also
materials of Mrs. Hubbard's end of the church. These materials were given to Mr. Garrison for one purpose and one purpose only, for use in drafting the biography and for no other purpose. Both Mr. Garrison and Mr. Armstrong attest to that.
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as he perceived it was to compile the archives and provide materials to Mr. Garrison and that he had no authority to do anything else with them.
up, that there were policies with respect to how to handle them; that originals could not be removed; although Mr. Armstrong in fact did so. And we'll show that it was the understanding of all of the parties and every person who is before the court and every party that had anything to do with any of these transactions that these materials were completely private; that they would be returned at the end of Mr. Garrison's work on the biography; that Mr. Armstrong had no right to them and that the whole biography relationship was based on a long working relationship of some 10 years in which, as Mr. Garrison described it, there was a high degree of mutual trust based upon this prior working relationship.
of these private materials were provided by Mr. Armstrong to Mr. Garrison, most of it from the Hubbard's private files; included in them were materials that Mr. Armstrong obtained after Mrs. Hubbard had left her Scientology post of controller.
middle of 1981. And the controller archives, which contained both materials relating to the subjects of Scientology and Dianetics, archives that were lodged with Mr. Vorm which were taped materials and handwritten manuscript materials of Mr. Hubbard as well as these materials that I have described |
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there. Mr. Armstrong sought from Mr. Vorm that
these materials be given to him. He said they were urgently needed for the biography.
him. He attempted, but was unable to reach Mrs. Hubbard.
post of controller that Mrs. Hubbard had previously held and he was told to provide them to Mr. Armstrong and he did so; although with many things, he still refused to provide the original copies and only provided Xerox copies.
materials would not be used in a way that would violate the privacy of them and that Mr. Garrison needed them to review, but that there should be no concern about using them in a way that would intrude into the Hubbard's privacy. So they were given to him. Many of the originals which are under seal with this court come from those material which Mr. Armstrong obtained after Mrs. Hubbard was no longer acting as the controller.
reached a decision to leave the Church of Scientology. According to his testimony, he reached that decision by approximately December 1st.
ordinary range of activities of copying as many materials as he could to provide to Mr. Garrison. And in a 12-day period of December 1 to December 12, he flooded Mr. Garrison with thousands of pages of additional materials.
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many originals which either was taken by his at that time or which he bad gives to Mr. Garrison -- it is not completely clear -- but which originals were never permitted to have been given to Mr. Garrison for, among other reasons, their extraordinary value and the fact that Mr. Armstrong's function was to gather up originals, not to give anybody else the originals.
1981 he continued to have contact with Mr. Garrison. And he continued to have access to these materials. And he, apparently, had many of then with him in his possession.
matter with Mr. Garrison, Mr. Armstrong went to Clearwater, Florida and met with Michael Flynn.
Mrs. Hubbard to Mr. Hubbard from the early 1950's which we do not intend to introduce into evidence, but which Mr. Armstrong has ascribed as a particularly personal letter. And this was one of the documents that he took to show to Mr. Flynn at that tine.
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Clearwater, Florida.
about the archives materials and what was in them. Within a period of approximately three weeks,
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came to Los Angeles to the Bonaventure Hotel and
he there met with Armstrong again.
from Clearwater, went to Mr. Garrison and persuaded Mr. Garrison to let him have copies of many materials from these archives which had been provided originally to Mr. Garrison by Mr. Armstrong when he was acting for the church on the archives post.
for evidence, although there was no suit against him by anyone.
on this subject he requested letters between Mr. Hubbard and his first wife, letters between Mr. Hubbard and Mary Sue Hubbard and naval records of Mr. Hubbard. He made copies of these materials.
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is not going to seek the advice of any lawyer. This is going to seek the advice or to provide materials, which is the real situation, to the attorney in the United States who is more active in litigation against various Church of Scientology and against the Hubbards than any other lawyer in the country.
knew that Mr. Flynn represented a variety of plaintiffs. He agreed with Mr. Flynn that he would act as a witness for Mr. Flynn. He agreed that Mr. Flynn could use the materials that he was providing in his other litigation. Mr. Armstrong prepared affidavits for use in suits in which he reviewed and used the private materials that he had not taken originals or copies of and given to Mr. Flynn, and when he did all of this by his own testimony he did not believe that it was pursuant to the conditions under which he had been permitted to gather them up.
months or so Mr. Armstrong sent to Michael Flynn approximately 3,000 pages of original materials, sent to Contos & Bunch approximately 2,000 pages of original materials and sent thousands of other copies of materials as well. He was clearly engaged in a systematic gathering up of materials. He had free access to Mr. Garrison's materials which he would go into and copy what he wanted and send on to Mr. Flynn or toward the end also to Contos & Bunch.
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conduct. John Peterson, an attorney for the church,
sent a letter to Mr. Armstrong asking that he return anything that had been taken while he was a church employee. Mr. Armstrong responded that there was nothing, although the materials under seal are original materials which Mr. Armstrong had in his possession which were ultimately delivered to the church and which come from the archives as originals.
Mr. Armstrong's response he said nothing about the fact that he had been copying materials or taking materials from Mr. Garrison.
concerned about whether or not either originals or copies of the archives materials had been taken, set about a reasonable course of retaining private investigators through Mr. Peterson and others to engage in surveillance of Mr. Armstrong in an effort to determine whether or not he had archives materials which he was not entitled to. The surveillance was extensive and involved substantial expense suffered by the church in an effort to recover its property.
restraining order and then a preliminary injunction was issued and the materials which are now under seal were returned pursuant to court order from the firms of Michael Flynn and Contos & Bunch. The order required that all materials or copies of materials from the archives be provided to the court. |
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after the court suit itself had begun. She was not aware that any of this had occurred. She was quite upset to hear that hers and her husband's private materials were being gathered up and extremely upset to hear that Mr. Armstrong, whom she had known, had not only gone into her private storage but more to the point, then sent these materials to Mr. Flynn.
to this whole matter had been resolved. Mr. Garrison and the publishing company with whom he originally entered into a contract or successor to that contract actually, entered into a settlement agreement. In that settlement agreement Mr. Garrison agreed that he was not going to publish a book. He returned all materials from the archives that he had and he forgave any possessory claim that he may have had or presently had with respect to any other materials that had been provided to him in connection with his biography research. |
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available, has sent a letter expressing his wishes that these materials be returned to the custody of the church. We'll authenticate that letter and show that it is a genuine letter from Mr. Hubbard.
that any description hardly begins to give a comprehension of just how extensive and how private both from the point of view of the Hubbards personally and from the point of view of the church because many of the materials relate to internal church matters or Scientology matters.
many letters from Mrs. Hubbard to Mr. Hubbard and some from Mr. Hubbard to Mrs. Hubbard; materials relating to the tragic death of one of the sons of the Hubbards that Mr. Armstrong sent to Mr. Flynn.
been even discussed with other people which Mr. Armstrong sent.
Mr. Hubbard and Mrs. Hubbard, extensive correspondence between Mr. Hubbard and his first two wives and private financial materials relating to that; extremely personal journals kept by Mr. Hubbard which speak to his innermost thoughts and which are part of the early bodies of self- research in the development of Scientology and Dianetics which have not been published and which he has never provided to anyone until Mr. Armstrong took them and gave |
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Mr. Flynn; Naval records obtained and put in the
archives; unpublished manuscripts of extraordinary value which Mr. Hubbard had never indicated should be published; tax and financial records of the Hubbards; wills, correspondence with friends, correspondence with Scientologists, correspondence with business associates, correspondence with attorneys; records of attorney-client conferences. The list goes on and on. And one could spend an hour describing the range of these materials which were taken.
present that Mr. Armstrong was a church employee who had access to the private and confidential material of the Hubbards and the church; that after leaving, knowing their privacy, knowing their confidentiality, he wrongfully went and obtained them for unauthorized purposes which he knew to be unauthorized, but in fact which were not only unauthorized, but hostile; that he took materials that he had no right to have at that point; that he had no right to have access to; that he took them, sent them to an individual antagonistic of the Hubbards and the church and did so for antagonistic reasons and in furtherance of his scheme of collecting multi-million dollar damage claims; that he used the materials to prepare documents in other cases than his own case and gave the same permission to Mr. Flynn to do so; that he was not entitled to do any of this and that any claim he makes to justify his conduct -- we'll not address factually those issues in this opening |
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-- but we'll say that any claim that he makes to
justify his conduct will be shown to be misleading and false and which cannot be shown to justify his conduct in any way, shape, or form.
the act of voyeurs pouring through the private lives of other people to find any and everything they can to spread about them in an effort to discredit them in order to collect through lawsuits large amounts of money; that it will be shown that this supposed justification defense that the defendant presents will come down to nothing but self- serving vigilanteism of the worst kind.
converted these materials for his own use; that he enormously invaded the privacy of Mrs. Hubbard, Mr. Hubbard and the church and that he breached confidences that he had been given and that he completely, disloyally, and without justification breached his fiduciary obligation to both the church and the Hubbards to maintain the privacy and confidentiality of the archives materials.
wanted to add?
I'll waive.
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my motion
to dismiss for failure to join indispensible
parties. I'll be very, very brief.
that Mr. Litt referred to, AOSH-DK Publications of Denmark; New Era Publications which he did not mention, but which Your Honor is going to find is one of the most significant parties in this lawsuit. And the most significant party, without doubt, is L. Ron Hubbard.
the entire biography project was predicated and given to L. Ron Hubbard.
of the interests in this lawsuit, the rights, liabilities, and duties of any of the parties to this lawsuit without Mr. Hubbard coming forth and giving testimony as to what those rights, liabilities and duties are within the context of the contracts and, specifically, the final biography project with regard to Mr. Garrison was predicated upon Mr. Hubbard's approval.
admitted by Mr. Litt, there is no evidence and there will be no evidence before this court that Garrison didn't properly maintain possession of the documents and could have published them on his own; disseminated them across the United States on his own, given them to people like Mr. Armstrong; given them to anyone he wanted as well as published them in the book. That final approval lay with Mr. Hubbard. |
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indispensible party before the court.
specifically states that Mr. Garrison has the right to use the documents; create video tapes and promotional material prior to even publishing the biography; to travel throughout the world and publish the biography.
Mr. Litt is that Mr. Hubbard's approval is required for all of that, it will be impossible, without hearing evidence from either the two corporations or from Mr. Hubbard as to what should have been done with the biographical materials that were collected by Mr. Armstrong, what should have been done with the book and what in the future can be done with the book, with the documents or with Mr. Armstrong's right to publish the contents of the documents. |
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of the trial we will provide a memorandum to the court. I am again renewing my motion for failure to join an indispensable party. I think that the rights, liabilities and duties in this case are governed by two contracts, two written contracts, only one of which has been introduced, the second of which we will call for production during the trial. All of which require the final approval of Mr. Hubbard and with that I will make my opening statement.
guess. For the reason previously stated, I will deny your motion without prejudice. You can renew it later on.
states that this case involves a sacred trust. However, the sacred trust is a trust that Mr. Armstrong owed to himself and a trust that he owed to thousands of people who, together with him, were victimized by L. Ron Hubbard.
because of the representations made by L. Ron Hubbard about himself which representations were disseminated and promoted in a very commercial manner to obtain money. Indeed the evidence that the court will see will specifically address the promotion of L. Ron Hubbard as having certain credentials, character, integrity, academic qualifications, military background on which he sold himself to the public, such as Mr. Armstrong, in order to obtain money.
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close of
this evidence Your Honor will see very clearly
that these characteristics do not relate to Mr. Hubbard as a founder of a revered religion. They relate to intrigue, greed, misrepresentation, fraud and criminology, criminology and fraud permeated not only Mr. Armstrong's entire involve- ment with Mr. Hubbard but begins virtually from the age of 12 with Mr. Hubbard which Mr. Armstrong discovered.
within written lies, within written lies, within written lies become self-evident in these documents which will become blatantly clear in testimony of Mr. Armstrong will indicate that the sacred trust that was owed was fulfilled by Mr. Armstrong, not only to himself but to this court and to other Scientologists.
Mr. Armstrong would be structured within the position of the church. The court will hear the following evidence: That when Mr. Armstrong joined the Church of Scientology in 1969 he thought be was joining something which was represented to him as not being a religion. In fact, that representation was universally made.
called the Sea Organization. The evidence which is in the documents and which you will hear from the mouth of Mr. Armstrong is that he went on board a ship which was owned by a succession of for profit corporations, and the for profit corporations are the Hubbard Explorational Corporation, O T S and O T C. |
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the individuals who worked on the ship worked for Mr. Hubbard in a for profit corporation. In fact, the testimony will be from Mr. Armstrong that in connection with the duties in the port captain's office on board the ship, he was required to go into each port and tell the people in the port that they were a business corporation called O T C conducting business research in management.
made from 1970 through 1975 as to who Mr. Armstrong worked for was that he worked for a corporation called Operation Transport Corporation. The documents show it and Mr. Armstrong will so testify.
to state to whoever asked that he was not connected with the Church of Scientology but he worked for that corporation. Following Operation Transport Corporation he was instructed when they landed in Clearwater, Florida to tell everyone that he worked for an organization called the United Church of Florida.
to the public, the press and the media that he worked for an organization called The Friends of Norton Karno doing business research, then it became the Friends of Mr. Snyder's Uncle.
way down to an organization called Author Services Incorporated, which is now a for profit organization which encompasses the people that Mr. Armstrong worked with who are now all earning |
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money,
wages doing the identical duties that Mr. Armstrong
did for the period of 12 years.
in the personal office of L. Ron Hubbard. The documents will show that the personal office of L. Ron Hubbard was a for profit undertaking and that Mr. Armstrong and the others were working in Mr. Hubbard's office were continually told and, in fact, the evidence will be that Mr. Hubbard told then that he worked for them and Laurel Sullivan, Mr. Armstrong's senior, worked for L. Ron Hubbard and not for the Church of Scientology.
become critical and there is extensive evidence which I am not going to go into at the present time in order to keep this brief, but that evidence is extensive and it will show fact upon fact upon fact that in the mind of Mr. Armstrong, he always worked for L. Ron Hubbard. In the mind of L. Ron Hubbard, the parties to this contract, Armstrong always worked for L. Ron Hubbard.
1980 the Church of Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard and Mary Sue Hubbard, a party in this case, were being investigated by numerous state and federal agencies. In fact --
what is the relevance of that to the issues in this case?
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on the premises here is Los Angeles of the Church of Scientology and some 80,000 documents were seized by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The contents of those documents I won't go into. They eventually led to the indictment of the 11 highest officials of the Church of Scientology, including Mary Sue Hubbard, and their subsequent conviction.
that there was going to be another raid. They were fearful that this raid would tie Hubbard into several operations, including Operation Snow White which was the subject of the indictment of Mary Sue Hubbard. For that reason they mustered between 150 and 250 people. They rented a paper shredder which they designated Igor, and they proceeded to shred some 5- to 600,000 potentially documents. No one knows what the final amount is.
using five ton trucks.
shredding operation, which becomes critical evidence in this case, was to one, remove all evidence that connected L. Ron Hubbard to the Church of Scientology, and two, remove all evidence that connected him to the property at Gilman Hot Springs. The evidence will be that under that criteria, the criteria under which the shredding was conducted, the documents should have been shredded. The documents were |
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the criteria for shredding, they should have been shredded. And that will be the evidence.
essentially encompass the documents that are under seal with additions. The value of those documents, the evidence will be, was lost over the next year and a half because of the contents of the documents.
Scientology, Mary Sue Hubbard and L. Ron Hubbard held out L. Ron Hubbard to be for 30 years and if he was in fact what was set forth in numerous biographical publications about him and his organization of this religion, then they may have had value.
outset, will reveal precisely the opposite. And they lost during that period of time all their intrinsic value as pieces of paper. And as they lost their intrinsic value as pieces of paper, they gained value with regard to their informational content.
the evidence, it is the content of these documents and the perspective of Mr. Hubbard's involvement with this organization which is the critical issue before this court and which is the only issue relating to value.
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project. There were no restrictions placed upon
his collection of the materials; in fact, the evidence will be that over the next year and a half he collected literally hundreds of thousands of pages and that the documents under seal represent probably 2 percent of the documents collected. And, in fact, the evidence will be that of the documents under seal, contrary to Mr. Litt's representation to the court that Mr. Armstrong scurried around and copied thousands of documents in the last days before he left the organization, of the documents under seal the copying that was done in the last few days probably represents less than 5 percent of the documents that were copied throughout that period of time.
started and that the mid-1970s; the person most instrumental in the biography project was Laurel Sullivan.
obtained approval from L. Ron Hubbard, he went to Laurel Sullivan. Laurel Sullivan contacted Mr. Hubbard and the biography project at this point probably became reborn for the third time.
attempted to do it. The authors found so many discrepancies in the biographical data on L. Ron Hubbard that they were unable to proceed. Now for the third time the project is reborn.
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Hubbard.
For that reason a lot of wheels are placed in
motion. Contract negotiations began.
testimony will be that Mary Sue Hubbard didn't represent her husband in those contract negotiations, but as she testified in those depositions, she represented the interests of the Church of Scientology.
contract was entered into in October of 1980. The contract was entered into between what we called the PDK and Omar Garrison. That contract, we submit, will be one of the most critical pieces of evidence in this case, a provision with regard to whether the documents could be revealed to third parties or disclosed to anyone outside the people who were immediately involved; namely, Gerald Armstrong, Laurel Sullivan and Omar Garrison were specifically excluded from the contract because it would have voided the contract as a violation of public policy under the restatement of contracts and under several cases that have been decided in California.
I'll make it here.
information Laurel Sullivan may or may not have given to Mr. Flynn. I don't know exactly what he is referring to, but if I had to put my money down, it would be that she has been talking to him about advice that she gained from a Church of Scientology staff member -- about advice -- |
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something in the contract.
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in the contract. The defense submits that that is one of the critical items of evidence in this case with regard to the rights and liabilities of Omar Garrison from which Mr. Armstrong got the documents and, in fact, if they had put it in, it would have been void as against public policy.
into, a contract was entered into between L. Ron Hubbard and PDK with regard to the publication rights in the biography. Under the biography proposals that were negotiated at the time, L. Ron Hubbard was to make $10 million from the publication of this book. The evidence will be that that is a for profit purpose, and Mr. Armstrong was working in connection with that for profit purpose. Under that contract Mr. Hubbard had final approval over every item relating to the biography project. That contract has never been produced.
go into the misrepresentations, I will simply itemize for the court some of the areas without stating what the evidence will be from the documents at this time in order to obviate Mr. Litt's objection. Some of the representations that were made about L. Ron Hubbard which became the critical focus for Mr. Armstrong in the collection of the documents are as follows, and as the evidence will be, these became absolutely the fundamental basis upon which most people paid money and joined this organization.
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That he
was a medical doctor. That he was a scientist.
of World War II. That he served in five theaters. That he was a commander of squadrons of Corvettes.
That he was twice pronounced medically dead. That he was the first casualty of the Far East.
Secretary of Navy's personal airplane. That he received 28 medals and palms.
he is Mr. Roberts, the subject of the movie. That he served in the amphibious forces in the South Pacific in connection with his "Mr. Roberts" activities on the U.S.S. Algol.
combat duty after World War II as a result of his discoveries, scientific discoveries of Dianetics. That at one point he was returned to combat without rest in order to command a Corvette. That he served the remainder of that year with British and American anti-submarine vessels in the North Atlantic.
permanently disabled physically. That his naval record states that this officer has no neurotic or psychotic tendencies whatsoever.
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several years when he was blind and couldn't see. That he resigned his commission in the Navy rather than assist government research projects. That he worked for naval intelligence in breaking up a black magic ring.
in the Pacific and relieved by 15 officers of rank.
age of 12 who vas a student of Sigmund Freud. That he was a civil engineer with a Bachelor of Science, with a Ph.D. That he was an atomic physicist, an anthropoligist.
University in mathematics and engineering. That be excelled in his subject.
biographical sketches of L. Ron Hubbard.
post-graduate. That he was involved in the first course in nuclear physics.
honors. That he excelled in his subjects in high school.
by a nuclear physicist and a medical doctor, which is purportedly him.
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had conducted a Carribbean motion picture expedition; conducted extensive underwater photography in connection with that expedition; that he did it for the Hydrographic Office of the Navy and that he provided the materials for that expedition to the University of Michigan; that he led three expeditions to study savage peoples; that he led an expedition into Central America; that between 1933 and 1941 he visited many barbaric cultures; that he did the first complete minerological survey of Puerto Rico; conducted the Alaskan Radio Expedition for the government; rewrote the Alaskan Pilot charting the coastline of Alaska; was the originator of LORAN in connection with that expedition; that he claimed he led an expedition to the Red Sea to investigate and research underwater civilizations; that he was involved in an around-the-world flight.
because of Dianetics, he represented the supremely healthy and perfect human being.
health after World War II through the 1950s and into and throughout the 1970s and into the early 1980s; that he was a blood brother of the Black Feet Indians; that he wrote the book Treasure Island; that he was -- that he was a Hollywood director; that he wrote several books and Hollywood scripts; that he is a member of various organizations relating to all of his academic and professional qualifications.
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representations
are uniformly false.
triggered this entire matter was that Mary Sue Hubbard and the other individuals who were under indictment were trying to raise funds in connection with the Church of Scientology to defend themselves in a criminal case. In connection with raising those funds, promotional material was sent out throughout the United States; that the movie, the Dive Bomber, a movie that was produced in the 1930s, was written by L. Ron Hubbard; the screenplay was written by L. Ron Hubbard and that thousands of people in connection with extensive promotional materials that earned somewhere between twenty and thirty thousand dollars was sent out to have people come in and see the movie on the basis that it was written by L. Ron Hubbard and on the basis that all of the people that were to go to see the movie believed all of those biographical representations that I laid out to the court.
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in as the researcher simply began to conduct research into this very initial subject as to whether or not L. Ron Hubbard had written the "Dive Bomber." He went to the library of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, and he could find no credit for L. Ron Hubbard. He found that L. Ron Hubbard had written a very short story called the "Dive Bomber" in the 1930's and he read the entire screen play of the movie and the "Dive Bomber" and the were 180 degrees opposite, and one had nothing to do with the other.
to thaem that the promotional material was false based on what he had found and he didn't think that L. Ron Hubbard had written the "Dive Bomber" and it couldn't be proved.
to try to explain the discrepancy in these basic facts upon which thousands of people were about to pay between 20 and $40,000 to defend Mary Sue Hubbard.
which is under seal, and the communication states that the reason they couldn't find his credits was because someone at Warner Brothers tried to gyp him out of the money, that he really did, in fact, write it and they paid his $10,000 under the table, and this is on the sealed document, that L. Ron Hubbard was paid $10,000 under the table, and then he took the $10,000 before the war started and put it into a safe deposit box, and then when the war ended, he used the $10,000 to go on a cruise in the Carribbean. |
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focused around this matter because Mr. Armstrong had remembered in the collection of materials that he read that Hubbard had said he was crippled and blinded after World War II, abandoned by his family, penniless, broke, destitute, cured himself with Dianetics, and not until he wrote the book "All About Dianetics" in 1950 did he have any funds.
that between 1945 when Mr. L. Ron Hubbard got out of the Oak Knoll Military Hospital as a inpatient and 1950 prior to writing "Dianetics, The Modern Science To Mental Health"; not only did he not have $10,000, but he was throughout the five years writing to the Veterans Administration saying he was broke, claiming that he vas a victim of war wounds to get a pension.
those documents, it shows that there were no war wounds. That he was destitute and broke and whatever it showed Mr. Armstrong in 1980 was that the letter that Hubbard had written in 1980 about what he had done is 1945 through '47 was false. Then as Mr. Armstrong got into the naval documents, he found out that virtually everything that was said about Mr. Hubbard with regard to his naval career was false, which led him into all of the other documents.
on-going conversations with members of the organization and with Omar Garrison. He explained to Garrison, he explained to members of the organization what he was finding. Garrison |
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realized
after a period of time, and the evidence will be
from Mr. Garrison's mouth, that the biography could not possibly be written. That it was subject to Hubbard's final approval, and that they were being told that Hubbard could not even be communicated with. So Mr. Armstrong and Mr. Garrison both realized that they were in a box.
individual who was involved in an organization which had a doctrine called the "Fair Game Doctrine." The evidence will be from Mr. Garrison, contrary to Mr. Litt's representations to the court, that Mr. Garrison drove Mr. Armstrong to the airport to come to Clearwater to see Michael Flynn because they were both afraid for their lives.
Armstrong ever contacting Michael Flynn on February 18, 1982, revised on April 22, 1982, before there was any contact between Gerald Armstrong and Michael Flynn a Suppressive Person Declare was issued on Gerald Armstrong which accused him of theft, illegally taking or possessing church property, receiving material for private gain, impersonating a Scientologist staff member, falsifying reports, making out or submitting false purchase orders, juggling accounts, obtaining loans or money under false pretenses, issuing data or information which was false, engaging in malicious rumor mongering of things that were false, and some 10 or 11 other allegations against Mr. Armstrong, making him subject to the Fair Game Doctrine.
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wasn't
until that was declared and they realized the position
they were in and photographs were stolen from Mr. Armstrong during this period of time that he came to an attorney after he was told by one of the highest members of the organization to go get an attorney.
that under the contract and the promotional materials that had been given to him, which as I indicated are under seal, he had the right o use the documents within his discretion. His discretion was something that was never defined by the contract. There were never any limitations put under the contract.
position is and the evidence will be that Garrison rightfully gave the documents to Gerald Armstrong to defend himself against an attack by an organization when he, in fact, had simply sought to correct falsehoods. |
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those falsehoods.
was ordered to return the documents by Mr. Peterson and that in order to safeguard the evidence of what he knew was the truth in that he knew that he had not engaged in malicious rumor-mongering and defamation, he sent the documents to his lawyer.
him and then after a year of this litigation in which this court did allow documents to be used in other litigation and specifically provided for that in the preliminary injunction, the evidence will be that in the summer of 1983 the non-parties to this litigation, PDK assigning its contractual rights to New Era Publications, entered into an agreement with Omar Garrison and that pursuant to that agreement, Omar Garrison was paid approximately $240,000 -- we believe, but we are not certain --
to be evidence, but belief.
agreement to find out. It was never given to us.
that point in time, possessed the documents and had the right to possess the documents. And during the period of time that he gave them to Gerald Armstrong, he did so pursuant to the contract; that since New Era Publications and PDK are not parties to this lawsuit, the right to |
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possession
of the documents throughout the pendency of the
lawsuit has been pursuant to that contractual arrangement, first in Omar Garrison and then under the agreement that was made in the summer of 1983, apparently, in a corporation called New Era Publications, a full profit corporation that is not a party to these proceedings.
of this lawsuit Mr. Armstrong has adhered to the orders of the court in that the only reason that this litigation is in this court is because of the content of those documents.
convert, as the evidence will be, what was rightfully in his possession based on the rightful possession of Omar Garrison.
Mary Sue Hubbard and the plaintiff Church of Scientology of California are public figures; that they made themselves public figures beginning in 1952; that they thrust themselves into the public arena on issues that most people don't thrust themselves into the public arena on, their integrity, their private lives, their health, the entire basis on which they sold Dianetics and made hundreds of millions of dollars which were put in Licthenstein bank accounts between 1952 and the present was the integrity, character, and qualifications of L. Ron Hubbard and that all of those things were grossly and falsely misrepresented throughout that period of time to thousands of people who relied on it.
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the evidence will be that given the public-figure status of Mr. Hubbard and given the documents that Gerald Armstrong seeks to introduce into evidence and sent to me, those documents relate to issues that Mary Sue Hubbard and L. Ron Hubbard have thrust into the public arena.
or in the possession of the Church of Scientology now, such as private letters, they have never gone beyond Michael Flynn, Mr. Armstrong's lawyer; never.
95 percent of the documents that relate to the personal correspondence between L. Ron Hubbard, Mary Sue Hubbard, and his other wives.
documents to a person's lawyer under the threat that I have laid out to the court was entirely appropriate conduct and that there has been no publication or dissemination beyond giving them to his lawyer of any such confidential materials.
that what the case comes down to is what to do with these documents; how they should be preserved for the sacred trust that is owed to former members of the Church of Scientology; for the sacred trust that society has in finding out what this man has done and for the sacred trust of Mr. Armstrong in protecting himself in this litigation and in his suit and in his counterclaim. |
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committed by Mr. Armstrong at any point in time and that the sole issue for this court to decide is whether the parties are properly before the court in order to adjudicate the rights and liabilities of all necessary parties that have an interest in these documents and what to do with the documents themselves.
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record reflect that the parties and counsel are present.
DONALD KEIR, called as a witness by the plaintiff, was sworn and testified as follows:
state your name and spell your last name.
Angeles Police Department Scientific Investigation Division, latent print section.
15 years.
to compare fingerprints to fingerprint exemplars in order to determine whether they are the same or not?
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in the
course of your career?
fingerprints to exemplars.
a fingerprint expert in Los Angeles courts?
which has been sent up by the clerk marked as exhibit 1?
Your Honor?
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marked as exhibit 1; have you ever seen this letter before?
clerk's office in this court and examining it?
materials with you to compare the fingerprints to it?
a Xerox?
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Xeroxed copy of an exemplar card that has been marked at the top "Exhibit No. 2, Hubbard, Lafayette Ron" and compare these fingerprints on this exemplar card on exhibit No. 2 to the fingerprints on exhibit 1.
the fingerprints imprinted on exhibit 1 are the same as the fingerprints --
exhibit card which will be connected to --
from.
Let's go forward.
exhibit 1 and exhibit 2 with respect to these fingerprints?
print on top of the page, that, I felt was unidentifiable.
on page No. 1, I identified to the right index finger.
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correctly, you were able to match at least two of the prints that are on the letter that is marked exhibit 1 to be identical to the right index finger of the exemplar that is marked 2?
first page and two on the second page.
entitled at the top "State of California Department of Justice" and is sworn to by Rolf R. Owre, Legal Keeper of Records at the Bureau of Criminal Identification and is a certification that the fingerprints attached to this, and the attachment page 2 have the initials of Rolf Owre on them, the exhibit 3 says that this is the fingerprint card of Lafayette Ron Hubbard; have you seen this document before, exhibit No. 3?
No. 3 fingerprint card and the fingerprints on exhibit No. 2?
not they are the same set of fingerprints?
made by one and the same person. They are copies of the original that were certified.
are in fact the fingerprints of Lafayette Ron Hubbard, would
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you have
a conclusion as to whether or not the prints on
exhibit 1 are the fingerprints of L. Ron Hubbard?
L. Ron Hubbard.
exhibit No. 3. It is a self-authenticating documents. It is certified.
of either the letter or anything to lay a foundation to authenticate the letter based on fingerprinting on the grounds that it is hearsay. It is irrelevant and it is not trustworthy enough with regard to where this letter has come from, the circumstances under which the letter was written, who was present, et cetera.
two fingerprints are the same. That doesn't authenticate the document. THE COURT: Well --
exemplars, 1 and 2 -- rather 2, and 3.
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record of a fingerprint card that was filled out back in 1948 from the Sheriff's Office, San Luis Obispo County. I don't see any reason --
counsel.
witness.
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piece of paper?
has been marked as exhibit 1 for identification was prepared?
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Hubbard
dated August 8, 1948?
original?
from originals?
you are comparing it to. Generally the original is a clearer copy, yes.
generally wants to work from originals rather than copies?
arrest record of L. Ron Hubbard?
arrest of L. Ron Hubbard, yes.
exhibit 1 to the copy which has been marked exhibit 2?
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Your Honor.
WILLIAM L. BOWMAN, called as a witness in behalf of the plaintiffs, was sworn and testified as follows:
state your name and spell your last name.
B-o-w-m-a-n. DIRECT EXAMINATION
commonly called a handwriting expert.
occupation of being a questioned document examiner?
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that occupation?
of that I was in the Documents Section.
Documents Section?
the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department with respect to questioned documents?
initial training portion, I became the chief documents examiner, taking over from Mr. John L. Harris, the senior in the firm of Harris & Harris who was a private contractor for the County.
examiner for the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office?
documents examinations did you make, approximately?
the number of documents was approximately 100,000.
where did you go?
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documents examiner?
period of time?
many documents have you examined in connection with making a questioned documents analysis?
anymore to justify my time. But I would say it is probably approximately the same number.
on the subject of questioned documents?
I didn't keep accurate count. But at that time it was approximately 500 times. I would estimate now it is between 800 and 1,000 times.
Los Angeles Superior Court?
other states.
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you as exhibit 1?
building.
document exhibit No. 1 provided to you for your examination?
with you?
several documents in their possession which were letters either identified to me as being written by L. Ron Hubbard or signed by him with the signature on it.
seen in other matters involving the same individual --
the documents that were provided to him.
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materials that you actually used to make your handwriting comparison with you?
have just taken out of your briefcase?
sides of the single sheet of paper.
to be the letters "P" and "D." And then what might be "LTR" and what appears to be a date, "1 M-a-r '66."
has the number "34" written on it.
recognize as being the initial of L. Ron Hubbard.
L. Ron Hubbard" at the top.
corner which bears a date 11- -- either 10 or 15 '65. It is multi-pages, but the last page at the very bottom as the signature "L. Ron Hubbard" which I identify as being his signature.
the words are in the title, but the second part of the title has "For Apollo's '74." And it is dated 3 J-a-n '74." Although it has been written over, probably '73 before. That is multi-pages.
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The first document that you described, can you mark at the bottom of that a No. 4 for exhibit No. 4?
"HCO" and "Pd"; is that right?
mark that as No. 5?
court to look at the exhibit No. 1 were the originals of these exhibits Nos. 4 and 5 with you?
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be in a ballpoint pin or some kind of pen on an original paper?
that you made use of were made in my office?
present when it was made from the original?
would have something to place notations on. So it was in response to my question.
I have the originals of these materials with me if the parties want to inspect them. I do not want to mark them and introduce them into evidence.
which we already have.
correct copies of the original and counsel can see them if he wants to.
correct copies of the originals, sir?
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and exhibit
No. 5 of the handwriting on those exhibits? Did
you make a comparison between the handwriting on those exhibits and the handwriting an the exhibit which is marked as exhibit No. 1?
or not the handwriting on exhibit No. 1 was written by the same person as the handwriting on exhibit No. 4 and No. 5?
that the person who wrote on the two pages consisting of exhibit 1 was the same person who wrote the handwriting on the other exhibits now marked 4 and 5. It was the same person's normal handwriting.
exhibit No. 1 is a typed version of the handwritten version; have you examined that typed version? Have you seen it?
In fact I don't recall even reading it at all.
writing, could you read the handwriting on the letter?
version is the same, Your Honor, we will have Mr. Bowman read directly from the handwritten text so that there is no question about what the text said.
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they are
the same, Your Honor, I will accept it.
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was written?
with your testimony here?
before?
L. Ron Hubbard's handwriting?
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of exhibit 4, yes. I have previously seen exhibit 5 and I had a copy in my possession from previous examination.
Philosophy"?
your examination?
Your Honor.
are the writings of Mr. Hubbard?
markings on those sheets as to things I observed in case anybody wonders what they are are. That is my notations.
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of that?
Mr. Bowman's markings on them. I assume he would like to keep for his records his notations. Could I substitute our copy?
any problem?
going into evidence.
into evidence. Substitute additional copies.
us, Your Honor?
I have just a moment?
understands.
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trying
to determine which witnesses, because we each have
responsibility for different witnesses, we should put on. I think we just need about five minutes unless the court is prepared to say at this point that we could adjourn Monday, never to adjourn again, for my absence.
time up to this point.
if you have to get through this consultation.
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reflect that counsel are present.
be taking the next couple of witnesses so I can be free on Monday.
JAMES L. MORROW, called as a witness by the plaintiff, was sworn and testified as follows:
spell your last name.
Scientology of California?
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religious corporation. It is a church.
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vice president, do you also hold a position a staff member within the Church of Scientology of California?
up of Scientologists who have dedicted their lives to Scientology.
real property was owned by the Church of Scientology of California?
former Cedars of Lebanon Hospital Complex, an adjacent property to that, buildings and some parking lots; the property that the Church of Scientology of San Francisco was in; property in Clearwater, Florida where the Flag land base was and still is; and property at Gilman Hot Springs.
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corporation during that period?
Los Angeles, Saint Hill organization, the Church of Scientology of Los Angeles organization, the Church of Scientology of San Francisco, the Flag land base, various management units of the church like the Commodore's Messenger's Organization, an international Commodore's Messenger's Organization for the PAC area, Pacific; U.S. Guardian's Office; Flag operations Liaison Office, West U.S. That gives a pretty good picture. I am sure I didn't get every one of them.
corporation?
Scientology. He is the author of the scriptures of the church, all the writings that make up the tenets and doctrines of the church.
the scientologists as someone who has affected their lives positively.
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a unit or bureau during the years 1979 to December 1981 which was called "The Personal Public Relations Office of L. Ron Hubbard"?
of 1981, but for most of that period.
product development organization.
Personal PR Office Bureau or whatever it was?
within the church?
function of promoting L. Ron Hubbard for the benefit of the church because the church and L. Ron Hubbard are very closely connected in that he is the founder of the church. And by promoting L. Ron Hubbard, it would help and benefit the church.
Office, staffed by Church of Scientology of California staff members?
foundation should be laid as to the witness' knowledge of some of these things. All we have is the fact that he was a vice-president. We don't know how long; we don't know
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whether
he had any involvement with the public relations
office.
What was your role in 1979, 1980; were you vice-president then?
vice-president since October of 1983.
hearsay, a reputation of certain things. Certainly, he ought to have competency to testify to these things.
examination, but it seems to me it affects his ability to testify about these things.
was.
was whether the Personal Public Relations Office was staffed by Church of Scientology of California employees.
Mr. Flynn, in the beginning, 1979 to December 1981. I have an exhibit, Your Honor, that contains numerous disbursement vouchers, each of which as a separate number. I would like to mark it collectively plaintiff's next in order which would be 6, as I recall. |
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same, Your Honor. And the remaining items that I have as well.
Mr. Morrow, that has been marked exhibit 6 and ask you if you recognize the documents contained therein?
Scientology of California which I requested at your request and which were provided to me by someone from the church.
contained in exhibit 6?
staff pay, staff allowances.
staff member of the Church of Scientology of California?
years from the Church of Scientology of California.
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staff pay;
will cash that check; will then write out
individual disbursement vouchers for each person receiving pay and will disburse the pay to that person, giving them a copy of the disbursement voucher and keeping another copy for the church records. And generally the yellow copy, which these are, are signed by the individual receiving the pay.
you which have been marked collectively exhibit 6 appear to have a name on there for the person who received the money?
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the class of documents which are prepared at or about the time the money is disbursed?
Honor, going into evidence.
did you also personally search the corporate records for a letter from American St. Hill Organization -- strike that -- Advanced Organization St. Hill, Denmark to the Church of Scientology of California?
November 1 980. I'd like to mark that plaintiff's next in order which would be 7.
exhibit 7, I ask you if you recognize that?
my request? |
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business by the Church of Scientology of California as part of its corporate records?
Board of Directors of the Church of Scientology in connection with that order?
I try to find it, I will see if I can.
"Resolutions Adopted by Unanimous Written Consent, Et Cetera." May that be marked plaintiff's next in order, exhibit 8?
document, you don't need to keep asking because this case involves a number of documents. That applies to both sides as long as you are going to approach the witness with a document or examining him with reference to a document.
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Scientology of California.
records in respect to the Church of Scientology of California, purchases for the archives?
like to mark this collectively though it contains a great many documents, each of which has a date or some other identifying characteristic which could be put in the record if necessary.
there is any need to refer to individual pieces, you can refer to them as 9-A or -B, whatever.
exhibit 9, I ask you if you recognize that? A Yes.
the corporate records of the Church of Scientology of California. These were delivered to me.
contained collectively in exhibit 9?
related disbursement vouchers and third-party receipts that are also related to the purchases.
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purchase something on behalf of the church, they will submit a purchase order to the Financial Planning Committee. The Financial Planning Committee will review that against the budget for that week and against other expenses and the need for the item, and then they either approve it or they disapprove it.
and when they are disbursed a disbursement voucher will be written.
exhibit 9?
contain some information about what it is for, who it is disbursed to, what the amount is and the date. And then after the person has completed whatever the purchase is, they should return the receipts which then get packaged together and are then maintained as the record of expenses for the church.
of business by the Church of Scientology of California?
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of Scientology of California?
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records of the Church of Scientology of California?
this time.
primarily with external affairs for the church, public relations, legal.
how long that is, about a year.
Hot Springs?
to, 1979 and December, 1981.
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interest," do you know whose name the deed was in?
private individual named Richard Hoag, does that refresh your recollection?
the deed. That is very possible.
L. Ron Hubbard physically existed between 1979 and 1981?
at least, I know it was in Cedars of Lebanon complex.
period it was out in the Gilman Hot Springs property?
position in the church in the personal office.
personal public relations officer?
in the church of L. Ron Hubbard's personal PRO officer.
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Your Honor.
itself.
mean, Mr. Morrow?
direct. That is person who has the position in the church of promoting L. Ron Hubbard as a staff member of the church for the benefit of the church.
benefit of L. Ron Hubbard?
time if his image was promoted. The person's post was a staff post. And the purpose was promoting L. Ron Hubbard for the church's benefit.
personal public relations officer comes from whom?
church and seeing what was done by people in that office. It comes from just general knowledge of kind of knowing where everything is in the church and what is being done. I have also read documents relating to the personal office.
was at Gilman Hot Springs you would never have observed its activities during that period of time; is that correct?
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operations
at Gilman Hot Springs, but that doesn't mean that
a person from there would not have been doing things in Los Angeles that I would have observed, an event or something like that.
operation of that office than you would; isn't that true?
about the state of mind and knowledge of Laurel Sullivan, Your Honor.
that -- strike that.
Scientology is broken down into very specific posts; is that correct? A Yes.
specific posts; is that correct?
generally called hat packs; is that correct?
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a particular post. |
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the Church of Scientology before you take post, you have to take training for that particular hat; is that correct?
people have taken posts without doing training prior to doing that.
training?
and a Deputy Guardian for legal hat pack, those two.
was used was the Information Bureau of the church which was basically the church's unit for doing investigations.
for the Guardian's Office?
for the personal office of L. Ron Hubbard?
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Relations. I am not sure which ones I have seen and I have not done them. I am not intimately familiar with them.
whether the Central Office of the Office of L. Ron Hubbard was located in the Gilman Hot Springs property?
"Central Office" mean?
can reframe the question.
means?
designation called "Central Office of LRH."
located?
Central Office of L. Ron Hubbard?
things about what it might be.
Office of the Public Relations Office of L. Ron Hubbard and you have no personal knowledge of the Household Unit; is that correct?
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working personally for L. Ron Hubbard in the Personal Office Household Unit before he went to the Personal Office Public Relations Department, do you have any knowledge of that?
question.
Gerald Armstrong worked in the Household Unit of the Personal Office?
correct, in that office?
office, so, no.
don't know that they did if they did, if that makes sense.
exactly what the structure of that office was; is that correct?
and the Central Office, if you weren't there, you can't tell us what the structure of taht office was at that time; is that correct?
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that office,
but I cannot tell you with personal knowledge
of having seen it operate, no.
Office of L. Ron Hubbard between 1977 and 1981? A I am a little unclear of what the Central Office was and what all it encompassed. I am sure I know people who worked in there, but I am not exactly sure what it was.
Personal Public Relations Office of L. Ron Hubbard at Gilman Hot Springs between 1977 and 1981?
what I said before. If it was there, Laurel Sullivan probably did.
during that period of time, so I can't answer that.
personally with L. Ron Hubbard?
personally with L. Ron Hubbard?
assumes facts not in evidence.
those individuals ever worked personally with L. Ron Hubbard?
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that these records come from the Church of Scientology; is that correct?
you call the staff allowances; do you have those in front of you?
and see if you can find one that says "Church of Scientology of California" on it?
these previously.
of Scientology of California" on them?
don't have one heading with the Church of Scientology of California on them; isn't that correct?
ships. |
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Apollo got disbursed payment vouchers?
specifically right at the moment.
ship worked for, Apollo?
California.
documents?
sealed documents?
for people that were on the ship are also blank in terms of coming from a particular corporation?
recollection of it. I have seen them -- I haven't seen any of those in a couple of years. |
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had you ever been an officer, director of any corporation relating to the Church of Scientology?
board minutes of the Church of Scientology of California; is that correct?
there?
There is not a date -- the document itself is not dated.
fact of that November 14, 1980 letter from Publications Denmark, that is what is referred to; isn't that correct?
prepared?
know precisely what day.
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Scientology
of California?
of California has Larry Brennan held?
that he was in the legal department at some point. I am not sure exactly when he left that. That was in probably the early '70's.
director of Publications Denmark?
preparation of a contract between Publications Denmark and Omar Garrison?
that he was related to that or had something to do with it, but I don't know specifically what he did.
did you consult with Larry Brennan with regard to your testimony?
consulted with Larry Brennan about your testimony in connection with this case?
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to me.
had board books. I went and consulted with him and he showed me the board book and where things were. That is about it.
Springs property. I'll ask you if you recognize that as the deed that you testified about that you had previously seen.
make one available.
Honor?
out there. And there's more than one deed. And I am not real good on real estate.
this. But I am not certain exactly which of the pieces of property out there that deed referred to.
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Springs property where the central office of L. Ron Hubbard was located that was in the name of the Church of Scientology of California?
he saw something or not.
central office of L. Ron Hubbard was at Gilman Hot Springs.
compound question.
have any knowledge about where the central office of L. Ron Hubbard was located?
I have heard the term. I have seen it, but I don't know all of what was contained in the central office.
that entity was; is that correct?
of that office of the church that is part of the Church of Scientology of California?
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the one is. I know what one of them is. I don't know what the other one is.
do you know?
twice now.
personal PR office. That is the one that I described before.
are there, Mr. Morrow?
usual amount.
profit activities for L. Ron Hubbard?
that they don't; is that your testimony?
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of California
which contained that is operated as a non-
profit corporation and that the activities were not for L. Ron Hubbard's profit.
divisions of the personal office being to sell L. Ron Hubbard's books for his personal profit?
profit, no.
same period of time; is that right?
that office, but I can't -- it is not something that I am real familiar with.
Gilman Hot Springs; is that correct?
the deeds are in the name of the Church of Scientology of California; is that correct?
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in the
name of the Church of Scientology of California.
front of you?
of the properties out there and I am not good on real estate. This looks similar, but I am not sure which of the pieces of property it was that I saw.
described.
wouldn't have any objection to its authenticity. But I would be concerned about its relevance since it doesn't --
time. It hasn't been tied up.
the records of the church and see if, in fact, that deed corresponds with it.
Mr. Harris.
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directors
of the Church of Scientology of California?
officers and/or directors of the Church of Scientology of California?
attended meetings where we have all gotten together.
with the corporate structure of the church as you have testified on direct examination between the years 1977 and 1981, did L. Ron Hubbard play any managerial role within the Church of Scientology of California?
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the corporation Church of Scientology of California, Inc. were during those years?
some times but they were not the same during all of those years.
see if you can identify those. They purport to be members of the Board of Directors on there.
meetings during those years?
meetings, you wouldn't even know about it?
objection.
Hubbard didn't have any managerial role during those years, Mr. Morrow?
years and the church was being run by other people.
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aspect
you are talking about.
matters.
Commodore Messengers International was probably up near the top running the organization.
it?
an officer?
1968 and 1981 for all directors of the Church of Scientology of California to sign undated letters of resignation held by L. Ron Hubbard?
Hubbard? Is that the precedent, sir?
sealed documents?
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undated
letters of resignation in the sealed documents, do
you?
that he hasn't looked, Your Honor.
Directors of the Church of Scientology of California signed undated letters of resignation between 1977 and 1981?
haven't seen those.
for any of those?
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seen Church of Scientology of California invoices and disbursement vouchers which do not have "Church of Scientology of California" embossed upon them?
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them?
of what transactions there are and that there is an invoice or disbursement voucher.
I would move --
evidence.
Mr. Morrow as the officer of the corporation. And he may from time to time be required to help me out here with exhibits and so on, if that is all right with Your Honor.
exhibits 6, 7, or 9. But we object to the resolution on the ground that it is not sufficiently authenticated. It is undated. And we think that one of these people who signed it should be produced.
received.
while I get the exhibits together for the next witness?
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took 20 minutes.
parties and counsel are now present. You may call your next witness.
TOM VORM, called as a wintess by the plaintiff, was sworn and testified as follows:
Please state your name and spell your last name.
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at some point?
for about two or three months. Then I assumed the post of Director of Validity which is in the qualification schedule.
to students, made up certificates and more or less kept an eye on the quality of the courses being delivered and made sure they were done properly.
position?
of another Church of Scientology?
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Office Archives Librarian.
copy various tape lectures that Mr. Hubbard had given since 1950 or so.
And the project was to make copies of them. My duites were to watch over those tapes, make sure they were handled properly by this project, log them in and out and keep an eye on the project itself; make sure it is done properly; the tapes that were made quality tapes.
bulk of the research into Dianetics and Scientology. And as such they were like very valuable to the religion of Scientology.
1950. And because of that, some of the early tapes were not made on real good quality tape and were sort of like getting fragile, that type of thing.
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to the originals, what one would do with the originals as opposed to the copies?
separate from any other copies, and there was a policy or a practice at that time where anybody who wanted an original or access to an original needed to get Mrs. Hubbard's approval.
you first go on this post of Guardian office-archives librarian?
change?
thereafter they did.
primarily concerned with the tapes.
in charge, my duties were expanded to include the written materials and written published works and unpublished of
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Mr. Hubbard,
various scriptures of Scientology.
written items?
preserve them, too, by various microfilm projects, that type of thing.
materials that properly belonged in your area that were elsewhere?
write some kind of a memorandum to -- strike that.
getting those materials to your area?
doing an eval or a project to sort out the various archives, and I wrote to them about it.
trunks?
trunks?
actually I had some input on it, but they did end up coming to me.
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11 December
1979. May that be marked plaintiff's 10 for
identification?
exhibit 10 and ask you if you recognize that?
communication to me at the time that the trunks that contained the written materials were approved to come to me.
you were, what did you do with them?
own storage room and then I proceeded to go through them and to pull out various kinds of -- sort out the materials. The main ones I was interested in were the materials that concerned the works of L. Ron Hubbard in relation to Scientology and Dianetics, and I put them separately, put them into separate file cabinets and basically got them in order.
that you received?
there.
feet by two feet square and about three feet long.
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out that
were the materials of Dianetics and Scientology
which you were interested in?
several months, even a year. I mean, it was a continuing project.
this is, what year this is?
approved in December '79. The trunks came to me shortly thereafter.
months and maybe even up to a year to pull the materials out that you had an interest in for your archives?
pulled out the technical materials of Dianetics and Scientology?
things that Mary Sue originally mentioned in her note that is in front of me, and those things, as far as the personal items, I mean, it was all sorts of things; wallets, insurance papers for Mr. Hubbard, research notes, wills.
Mr. and Mrs. Hubbard from the early '50s. There were science fiction, copies of science fiction magazines. It was very miscellaneous. |
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like contents of the bottom right hand drawer in Mr. Hubbard's study. There were also a lot of organizational dispatches that ranged from the 1950s to 1960s, which Mr. Hubbard sent and received from various organization executives over that time period.
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those letters?
description, not of the subject matter, but the addressees and so on of those letters?
his mother, his father, his aunt, his father, and, of course, to Mrs. Hubbard and letters from her to him also.
in this case. Mr. Armstrong?
science fiction magazines. I think there were photos, photo albums, that type of thing that was set up out in the lobby of the Hollywood Palladium.
And that is what attracted me.
him at that tine?
milling around the lobby, that type of thing. But I don't think anyone overheard my conversation. |
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me. And what he was doing, that type of thing.
at Sea.
doing, what did he say in that respect?
VPRO researcher, at least identified with the First Bureau Office. I don't recall the exact specifics on that.
PRO office was doing?
you tell him anything about what was in your archives area?
fiction magazines laid out. And I had just received these trunks shortly earlier. And I recalled there were like 25 or 30 of these magazines in one of the trunks.
of thing, he might be interested. And I had let him know that I had some of these materials and that we should maybe get together when we had a little bit more time to talk and kind of figure out what each other was doing and how we could help each other.
tell me, I guess.
going on, I guess, about where various archives should be
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about that
time, or --
meant L. Ron Hubbard?
known as?
approval to give some of the items of the trunks to Mr. Armstrong?
as we'll see, misleadingly 6 January, 1980.
this or the prior exhibit being offered into evidence; however, this document is dated 6 January, 1980 and refers to a document, 11 December, '79.
1980. And if we could clarify that --
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marked plaintiff's exhibit 11, can you identify that?
listing out about 15 items plus a box of around 30 science fiction paperbacks and requesting her approval that I give these to Jerry.
that appears on the document is in fact the date that it was prepared.
earlier communication I had with Mrs. Hubbard on the 26th of August, 1980 and also the people that the document was sent through signed it off and dated it 1981.
ask you -- is it a part of plaintiff's exhibit 11 to attach what has been attached? In other words -- well, that was really poorly phrased. Let me withdraw that.
did you attach the document to it dated August 26, 1980?
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those items to Mr. Armstrong?
Mr. Armstrong after having delivered those items to him?
these documents to him?
organization. We had various conversations about certain things. He sent me a couple of items that dealt with preservation of materials, a couple of phone calls now and then.
talk.
marked plaintiff's exhibit 12.
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question as to whether the Xerox machine is located where it is shown.
either 10 or 11?
evidence.
can be testimony elicited as to what is what or where is
exhibit 12, do you recognize that?
Gerry's office was at that time.
that particular area?
occasion to see what materials Mr. Armstrong had there?
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in the
same time he was telling me what he did and what he
was involved in which was getting together a museum that would contain L. Ron Hubbard's things and also there was some mention of a biography that was going to be done, and so he was showing me some files around the office at that time, and he pulled open a file drawer at that time and there were various files. I recall some personal letters, that type of thing.
marked "Archives."
with him making reference to an office to be used by Omar Garrison?
to be?
material where you had received approval, if I take your testimony correctly, you then met with him on other occasions thereafter?
him?
conversations, did you discuss the contents of the trunks?
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conversations were, who was present, what he said and what you said?
brought the two boxes to him.
specifics because they were rather mundane conversations, but it concerned primarily when the personal materials I had in the trunks will be transferred over to him and my answer was usually as soon as I could get approval on it, which hadn't been done yet but which I had to do before I could give those materials to him, and that occurred several times at various times.
to communicate with Mary Sue Hubbard about the materials in the trunks?
out the matter of the trunks?
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materials
in the trunks and how they should be disbursed
since Mary Sue wasn't there, and he sent back his answer saying that that was approved.
how this should be handled?
proposed was that instead of listing them all out like I had done in my original thing to Mary Sue, that I just go through the trunks with Gerry and we would go through and he would let me know if there was anything that he would need for his biography, and if that wasn't something that I needed for the controller archives or pertaining to Dianetics and Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard's works in that respect, then I would give them to him. |
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it was one of the first things I did because we talked about it so much. Finally we had approval.
over and then when that occurred, we went through the trunks one by one, pulling out materials that would be transferred over to him.
Mr. Armstrong could have?
that I didn't feel good about giving him. Those were primarily -- and what is about six files, about a foot thick or so of correspondence, personal. I considered it quite private correspondence between Mary Sue and LRH.
certificate, passports for the children, some things that Mary Sue had mentioned in her original instructions to me.
in exhibit 10?
not feeling good about it?
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first, but Gerry insisted that they were like key to the biography because, evidently, the way he explained it to me was that when he was doing research on the biography, various dates and names and that type of thing came up. And that I felt that these were private things.
the biography per se, but they would just be used as verification in that respect. He needed them for the biography. On that condition, I let him make copies and kept the originals.
you have control of those archives?
in this courthouse?
was there?
court approximately how many original documents are under seal which you do not have copies in your archives?
3,000 pages, something like that.
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your post
as archivist to speak with people who collect
the materials of L. Ron Hubbard?
archives that you control?
at this point.
LRH manuscripts and letters?
year or less ago regarding a collector that had found some materials at a location. And I think it was in Kansas or Texas or something like that. And he was planning on selling these materials. And we discussed actually getting those materials into the archives rather than selling them. And he agreed to that.
manuscript, actually an unpublished manuscript by Mr. Hubbard on civil defense. And it went for around $30,000.
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the hearsay rule in respect to that, Your Honor if that was in fact the fair market value of the item and that is what it was sold for. That would have been the terms of a contract. But I'll submit it.
relevance -- not going to be hearsay to prove that he did sell some book for $30,000, but to show that in this witness's opinion he might have.
this. There is no way this witness has of knowing unless he had some personal knowledge of what was in that particular manuscript or how it might compare with something else. |
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Honor. I will try to develop a bit more. If I fail, I fail.
absolutely no foundation of who bought it, the circumstances under which it was purchased. It is just rank hearsay as to who paid what to whom.
it may have some relevance to something else here. Maybe this witness has some ability to express an opinion. I will let you proceed anyway at this point.
Mr. Armstrong -- my apologies, Your Honor, and most particularly to you, Mr. Vorm.
for sale that were L. Ron Hubbard manuscripts?
original manuscript written by L. Ron Hubbard. It was an 18-page document in his own handwriting. She was offering it for sale for approximately $75,000.
fact that he is aware of this, not that it is worth $75,000.
his state of mind.
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what was it, if you recall?
some material that deal with Scientology philosophy as well as some theory behind some of the practices of Scientology.
offered for $75,000, have you seen other original manuscripts, letters, documents of L. Ron Hubbard that were for sale?
that went for $30,000, which was a copy by the way, there was some original papers that were discovered by these collectors which they turned over to me, but prior to them turning it over to me they had been planning of selling it and they had mocked up or created a sheet that listed out the items and the approximate sale that they wanted --- the asking price, and these were various letters from Mr. Hubbard to some early organizational people from the 1950's, like 1950, '52, around there, and all it was was just like correspondence. There was nothing really special about it other than it was just some correspondence, and they were asking around $150,000 for it.
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were a couple that we all in his handwriting.
church while you were archivist of LRH materials?
I don't have any knowledge of the transaction itself other than I do have materials in my possession which have been identified to me that they were bought by the church from a collector.
was paid?
the collector that they were bought from, and it was around $60,000.
witness can testify that the documents have value, but as to what the value would be, I don't think he is competent to testify to that.
Your Honor. There is valuable and valuable.
there is some value in excess of the paper they are written on.
but anything as to what precisely, you'd have to have an expert to testify to that, somebody that is qualified to deal with that subject.
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seal, can you tell me or estimate approximately how many came from the controller's archives?
quite a few that I recognized as coming from the controller's archives.
archives, can you give me an estimate of the percentage that are originals rather than copies?
I did see quite a few originals that were in Mr. Hubbard's handwriting.
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archives?
to the present time were there?
archive in England. That was a question that was being basically sorted out as to where these materials were and who should maintain the care of them and safekeeping.
Mr. Armstrong collect if you know in his archives?
full.
And I am not sure how many of the bulk were copies and which were the originals.
you have in controller archives?
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originals?
archives?
or what he might have had at some other time, or what?
PRO researcher; is that correct?
biography?
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the biography.
communications. I don't know exactly what I told her
she approved -- that, ". . .In addition, I believe many of the items in Box 1 would be invaluable to the work they are presently doing on the LRH biography."
"Very good. Approved"?
materials for the archives biography; is that correct?
Mr. Armstrong was selecting these documents for the biography and that you petitioned Mary Sue Hubbard to give him documents from controller archives?
that correct?
circumstances surrounding that.
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correct?
Office; is that correct?
sure. It seemed to be, but I'm not sure exactly what the -- you know the exact legal lines were between the controller's office and the Guardian's Office.
office. Q She was in charge of the Guardian's Office; you knew that.
the Guardian's Office?
controller, you sent another petition to give more documents to Mr. Armstrong; didn't you?
bit, but that is essentially the right one.
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Is there any objection, gentlemen?
read it at my leisure.
All we have got is what they gave us.
already has many file cabinets of this type of material and I feel this material we have rightfully belongs with him"; isn't that correct?
It is unlikely that the witness would be able to duplicate exactly what he wrote. If he is shown the document, I have no objection.
Mr. Armstrong as set forth in your writing on exhibit B; is that correct?
mainly pertained to the biography.
to give him those? |
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within the organization, you surrendered those documents to Mr. Armstrong because the controller gave you authority; isn't that correct?
archives?
what archives.
percentage of the documents currently under seal were originals from the controller archives; is that true?
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are big files that are just -- I mean, there is a lot of papers in there.
inventoried documents?
inventory documents?
downstairs?
ambiguous.
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know. It
was fairly thick, at least maybe a quarter of
an inch thick of paper.
going in and has made an inventory of every document downstairs; isn't that accurate, and you have seen it?
under seal from controller archives?
did you give with the permission of the controller from controller archives to Mr. Armstrong?
general bulk there were several boxes full of files.
gave the boxes with Mary Sue Hubbard's approval when she was controller and subsequently with Gordon Cook's approval when he was controller; correct?
Mr. Armstrong where you didn't have approval from the controller?
there were archives material being routed to the SU; do you see that? |
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Special Unit.
not sure about that.
operations that took place in early 1980?
irrelevant.
Am I correct?
were in charge of the controller archives?
archives, did you get briefed on a mission to shred all documents that showed L. Ron Hubbard's connection --
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I don't quite understand the nature of the question. Perhaps Mr. Flynn could rephrase it.
briefed to go through all of the documents in controller archives and shred documents that showed L. Ron Hubbard's connection to the church?
the controller archives?
intervenor, Mary Sue Hubbard, in the latter part of 1979 or the early part of 1980 relative to shredding documents in the controller archives?
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You may answer if you know.
the Guardian's Office.
controller archives and shred documents in the early part of 1980?
done.
Mr. Armstrong was in charge of?
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inventory?
of materials under seal are originals that are not in the possession of the organization; is that correct?
every page of materials in the Armstrong archives?
matters under seal? You say "Armstrong archives." I am not sure what you mean. I don't understand what you are referring to.
or three thousand pages under seal that are originals that are in the possession of the organization; is that correct?
controller archives; is that correct?
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right now.
'79 to the present; is that correct?
of materials in controller archives; is that correct?
Mr. Armstrong to have possession of materials from controller archives; is that correct?
Mr. Armstrong from controller archives?
over to him.
over to him from controller archives how many pages of material are currently under seal from those materials?
two to three thousand pages that I saw downstairs.
clear -- that there are two or three thousand pages of originals under seal from controller archives; is that correct?
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documents
is under seal that are from controller archives in
proportion to the rest?
because I haven't had everything out on the table and said okay, this is the percentage.
under seal or -- strike that.
under seal that are from controller archives?
recall there was something that was made up, that a check was made regarding the files. And whether they came from controller archives and that type of thing --
the defense can you get your hands on it?
church for the item and can describe it with specificity, we'll produce it, Your Honor.
Your Honor.
All inventories made by anybody, anyplace? Of what? Why doesn't he put it in a subpoena and serve it on us, Your Honor?
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by making
the order right here.
which are downstairs on file under seal?
ordered to produce it.
materials collected by Gerald Armstrong for the biography project aside from the documents under seal?
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Mr. Armstrong for the biography project that are not under seal?
they were given to me along with a lot of other materials but I am not sure whether they were for the biography project or not.
collected by Gerald Armstrong.
collected by Gerald Armstrong that are in possession of your organization that are not under seal?
cabinets, something like that.
documents under seal may exist in those file cabinets; is that correct?
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through
most of those documents just looking through what was
contained in the file cabinets.
copies of those particular documents which would be fairly easy to tell a copy from the original since the originals are fairly old and that type of thing.
copies of these documents where the originals are under seal here.
the materials where the originals that I had received from Gerry Armstrong, if I would know whether there were copies of them -- of the originals that are in the court, and I said I had been through those file cabinets just scanning through, and to my knowledge there is no copies in there at all of those particular documents.
analysis?
received documents back from Omar Garrison; is that correct?
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back from
Omar Garrison?
you give me an estimate?
so I really can't but there were probably eight boxes, something like that.
pages of originals; is that correct, under seal?
thousands of pages you received back from Omar Garrison?
I don't know -- 50,000, something like that.
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585
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has conducted an inventory of those materials?
thing done, yes.
an inventory has been done of Omar Garrison's documents?
church will be ordered to produce it.
thousand originals. And counsel has a right to explore that.
these, we would like them produced under seal since they describe the documents that are under seal.
you wish.
document under seal that is an original that the organization does not have possession of either in controller archives, among the documents collected by Mr. Armstrong, or among the documents returned by Omar
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586
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Garrison?
documents that are under seal in this case, the documents that are in the possession of the organization either from Omar Garrison, Gerald Armstrong, or in the controller archives?
hours a day times 14. That would be just the number of hours approximately.
more than you for the organization in doing a comparative analysis of the documents under seal to the documents in possession of the organization?
of that.
here today?
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587
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cannot
identify one document; is that is that correct?
correct.
testimony here today?
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588
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at the Hollywood Palladium; is that correct, for the first time?
event?
recall.
to several events at the Palladium.
thousand people there, does that refresh your memory?
just looking back at it.
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589
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Fund to
defend Mary Sue Hubbard.
else. Overruled.
fund. I am not totally sure of the purpose of the safe environment fund.
in connection with that event?
"Dive Bomber" original poster on it.
Hubbard wrote the movie script for the "Dive Bomber?"
scope of direct and far beyond the circumstances of the the meeting of Gerry Armstrong.
suppose. Overruled.
that L. Ron Hubbard wrote the movie script for the movie the "Dive Bomber"?
on the posters.
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590
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wrote the movie script?
Hubbard wrote the movie script?
remember.
senior was?
charge of the biography project in terms of research?
documents for that project?
there was plans for a museum, also.
documents under seal?
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591
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maybe you can describe generally what you read, may have read.
which I read a few pages of. There was some correspondence between LRH and his attorneys. There was piece of correspondence between LRH and I think it was a person who was handling some PR aspect for him in the late '60's or early '60's or something like that.
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592
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Excaliber has not been published has not been published?
been published?
and Scientology Technical Dictionary" by L. Ron Hubbard?
released in HCOBs, PLs and books"?
from a book, Your Honor --
we'll go on and finish. If not, we'll take a recess.
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593
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representative or a witness for the plaintiff that the manuscript Excaliber has not been published?
which church?
in August of '83.
the archive material of the church concerning L. Ron |
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594
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Hubbard,
Dianetics and Scientology?
archives or that portion of the controller archives that deals with the works of L. Ron Hubbard pertaining to Scientology. It is philosophy. It has certain technical procedures regarding the spirit and that type of thing. Q Mr. Armstrong gave you many documents to put into controller archives; didn't he?
to --
charts, a few tapes, that type of thing.
are basically technical archives relating to L. Ron Hubbard's writings; is that correct, as opposed to his personal biographical materials, Mr. Vorm?
controller archives.
technical writings and the biographical archives related to personal biographical materials; isn't that correct?
however, that is not exactly the way it was in practicality.
biographical materials? |
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to you?
materials to Mr. Armstrong?
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596
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material relating to L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics and Scientology?
Scientology?
case at the beginning of the case?
I don't recall exactly.
if you have read it.
knowledge accurate? |
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597
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of these points, so I can't --
to your knowledge own the archives material?
ownership.
1983?
who owned the documents?
will reconvene tomorrow morning at 9:00 o'clock. The witness is ordered to return at that time.
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