"You see, take a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet
in there (also easy). Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires some
doingness), then go to him (take a plane, that's fastest), wait for him
(at some place), pull your gun (does not require much musclepower), then
aim (some will have problems with this), and finally pull the trigger..(keep
your hand steady or you'll miss altogether). Easy no?"
— Spacetraveler
February 8, 2005
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"Lermanet.com" <ale...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:32:36 GMT, "Spacetraveler"
> <spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" <hel...@online.no>
wrote in message
> >news:a1vb01lh3ou488ut489fdtjmctnqqnvus0@4ax.com...
> >> There's a full 4 page article on me and the fight against
CoS in
> >> a Norwegian newspaper today. The cult keeps trying to get
the
> >> police to procecute me here, so this is my reply. Article
is not
> >> available on the web yet.
> >>
> >> Well done, cult.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Andreas Heldal-Lund
> >
> >
> >You may have some time now to address my issue. I understood you
have
been
> >busy up there in Norway, with the police and all that. I made just
now 2
> >reposts about the fair game issue and your SP/PTS pack.
> >
> >Spacetraveler
> >
>
> well, while you are waiting for andreas to get back to you, perhaps
> you can address this issue... but I doubt it, and be sure to check
all
> the sources..
So, you doubt it... You just assume that I will
not or that I can not... Why
is that?
In in fact addressed this already extensively
with some discussion with
Gerry Armstrong, he however started to run from that (link to that post
can
be supplied, I keep interesting links).
I am not interested in what some people did after
L. Ron Hubbard disappeared
from the lines. I am not even that interesed in what people did when he
was
still around. So, I will skip these. Why? because they do not add anything
to the discussion. People may very well have misinterpret things. Stupidity
of people who do not understand something, we have had through all ages.
Just like at the Jesus Christ phenomena, killing for the sake of purity
or
something. Here it counts what Jesus himself said about things, not what
other made of it. Same goes for L. Ron Hubbard.
>
> Duplicity and Understanding - The Scientology CREED
>
>
> Update to:
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ldidx.htm
>
> February, 2005 - Duplicity and understanding
>
> Which Creed is in use by Scientologists: the one published by the
> Church, which proclaims that no agency less than God has the power
to
> set aside the inalienable right of all men
>
> "to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own
> opinions and to counter or utter the write upon the opinions of
> others."
Fine...
>
> or Hubbard's "Battle Tactics"?
>
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/sp/pl-1969-02-16-battle-tactics.h
tml
>
> "The prize is 'public opinion' where press is concerned. The only
> safe public opinion to head for is they love us and are in a frenzy
of
> hate against the enemy, this means standard wartime propaganda is what
> one is doing, complete with atrocity, war crimes trials, the lot. Know
> the mores of your public opinion, what they hate. That's the enemy.
> What they love. That's you."
Issue appears to be quoted in full at that link
(I verified). Now, why was
this issue written. It was written to handle a certain situation. A
situation that demanded certain handling to make the threat to the survival
of the organization and Scientology disappear. Extreme situations ask for
extreme ways of handling. Why should one not be allowed to defend oneself.
This issue is aiming at certain people, who do some specific things. The
critics on the ARS appear to make the EXACT SAME mistake as Scientologists
in general do. They take things out of context. One line (or paragraph or
even a whole issue) out of something is not always aiming at ALL people,
ALL
situations. Apparently people have big problems to evaluate information
and
how to take that information and to whom it is applicable.
Very few Scientologists actually now about the
issue, if you read it while
being intern (if you got a hold of it somehow), then you were forced to
sign
a bond saying that you do not disclose this information to those whom had
no
use for knowing about it. It have not seen it applied when I was intern.
Spacetraveler
>
> Perhaps both. How people who pay to attain god-like powers conduct
> "standard wartime propaganda" can be seen in the outcome
of
> Scientologists response to real-life situations, such as the
> following:
> Exchange of letters between the SPOTLIGHT and the Church of
> Scientology
> concerning an offer to respond to a critical article before
> publication
>
> * THE SPOTLIGHT letter of October 29, 1993 to Mr. David Miscavage,
> Church of Scientology
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#931029
>
> o Dear Mr. Miscavage: Historically this newspaper, our
> publisher LIBERTY LOBBY and our Radio Free America talk show have
> always had what we have believed to be a friendly relationship with
> your organization, although very one-sided. We have repeatedly
> extended courtesies to your agents and spokesmen in regard to vour
> anti-phsychiatric drug projects, in spite of the fact your
> organization has never reciprocated in any way. We are certain your
> organization has attracted many members through the free and favorable
> publicity we have extended through our media. Enclosed is a galley
> proof of an article we plan to run in The SPOTLIGHT next week. ...
> enclosures:
> 1. While one so-called cult -the Branch Davidian
>
> Church- was being incinerated with taxpayer-financed government
> military and police power, another organization often perceived as
a
> cult-the Church of Scientology-was being given tax-exempt status worth
> hundreds of millions of dollars. ...
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#931002a
>
> 2. Sidebar 1, THE SPOTLIGHT AND SCIENTOLOGY Over the
> years The SPOTLIGHT had reported favorably upon some positive
> activities by the Church of Scientology on several fronts: its fight
> against the IRS, its battle for religious freedom and its efforts to
> inform the public of the dangers of mind-altering psychiatrie drugs,
> for example. ...
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#side1
>
> 3. Sidebar 2, The SCIENTOLOGY AGENT. Operating one of
> the largest private intelligence operations in the world, the Church
> of Scientology keeps a close watch on other organizations and
> institutions that either rival the church, may provide it some
> assistance somewhere in the world or are possible recruiting grounds
> for new church members. ...
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#side2
>
> 4. Sidebar 3 CHURCH MEMBERS PAY BIG BUCKS Church of
> Scientology members are largely highly intelligent, well-spoken,
> clean-cut individuals. They don't wear strange costumes or sell
> flowers in the streets. ...
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#side3
>
> 5. TACTICS AGAINST THE ENEMY. The Scientology cult has
> devised a wide-ranging array of tactics to be used against its critics
> or dissident members. Over the years various details about these
> methods have been reported. Here are some examples: ...
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#side4
>
> * Church of Scientology International Office of the President
> letter of November 1, 1993 to The Spotlight
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#931104
>
> o Dear Mr. Ryan, I have received your letter addressed to
> Mr. David Miscavige enclosing a galley proof of a story you propose
to
> run in The Spotlight. Your story is so far removed from reality that
> it defies description. ...
> In closing, I thank you for checking with us before
> publication. Whoever your source for this information is, he has no
> credibility and at best has a bizarre, albeit malicious, imagination.
>
> More ...
>
> * The Founding Church of Scientology undated press release on
> "Reader's Indigestion: Anatomy of a Misguided Magazine,"
concerning
> Reader's Digest, which printed an article criticle of Scientology
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#1980\
> original Readers Digest Article HERE
> http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/ReadersDigest.htm
>
>
> * Scientology CCHR letter of 7 Dec 1978 to Spotlight Magazine
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#781207
>
> o Dear Mr. Blahut,
> Pursuant to our conversation the other day, I am
> forwarding some information on a recent decision made by HEW Secretary
> Joseph Califano which will allow for federal funding (through medicaid
> and medicare) of experimental psychosurgical procedures. Psychosurgery
> is the irreversible surgical destruction of healthy brain tissue
> performed to alter behavior. The procedure has been performed on
> hundreds of mental patients, children and even some prisoners.
> Psychosurgery has been loudly denounced by various citizens groups
and
> Members of Congress ...
> o Enclosures:
> + Federal Times, April 3, 1978, Psychosurgery Funding
> Opposed By Black Caucus, ACLU
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#780403
>
> + Congressional Black Caucus letter of January 19,
> 1978 to Honorable Joseph A. Califano Secretary, Department of Health,
> Education and Welfare
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#780119
>
> + December 11, 1978 Federal Times article by Inderjit
> Badhwar, "Scandalous Abuse of Trust"
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#781211
>
> + The Washington Star, article of November 16, 1978,
> "Califano Balks At U. S. Ban on Psychosurgery"
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#781116
>
> * Delray Beach News, December 19, 1989, "Men of conscience deserve
> our regard," When more chan 25,000 applicants turned out to apply
for
> 630 jobs at the new Moscow McDonald's, it revealed a deep hunger in
> the Russian people for freedom, the free enterprise system, the
> American way of life - or, at least, a Big Mac. ...
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ld3.htm#891219
> * TIME, January 16, 1995, NETWATCH FLAMEWAR Someone or something
> has been busy lately on alt.religion.scientology, the Usenet newsgroup
> that carries the escalating flamewar, on the Internet between the
> Church of Scientology and its critics. ...
>
> continues HERE
> http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/ldidx.htm