"You see, take
a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet in there (also easy).
Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires some doingness), then go to
him (take a plane, that's fastest), wait for him (at some place), pull your
gun (does not require much musclepower), then aim (some will have problems
with this), and finally pull the trigger..(keep your hand steady or you'll
miss altogether). Easy no?"
— Spacetraveler
February 8, 2005
From: spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com (Spacetraveler)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.clearing.technology,nl.scientology,de.soc.weltanschauung.scientology,fr.soc.sectes
Subject: Re: Fair game once again, response wanted
from Andreas Heldal-Lund
Date: 28 Nov 2004 13:27:31 -0800
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Gerry Armstrong <g...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<1ffiq0l1noqs2audml1e11cco3k2bglk4q@4ax.com>...
> On 27 Nov 2004 16:31:46 -0800, spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com
> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
>
> >A repost....because I am still lacking ANY RESPONSE AT ALL from
> >Andreas Heldal-Lund about this matter.
>
> Here, I'll save him the hassle.
You did not succeed very well for yourself, what makes you think you
can do that for someone else?
> >Fair game again....conveniencies and leaving out data....Armstrong,
> >Rice & Heldal-Lund
> >
> >Gerry Armstrong:
> >http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/sp/pl-1968-10-21-cancel-fair-game.html
> >
> >Fredric L. Rice:
> >http://www.fairgamed.org/fairgame.htm
> >
> >Andreas Heldal-Lund:
> >http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
> >
> >*********************************************************************
> >
> >It appears that attackers of Scientology continue to be dishonest
> >about some things. It seems popular to just leave out some data
when
> >it is found convenient to back up some claim made, how incredibility
> >convenient!
> >
> >Now, what is being left out?
> >
> >They say that "HCO PL 18 Oct 67 Issue IV "Penalties for
Lower
> >Conditions"" was only cancelled for the use of the name
'fair game'.
> >And that L. Ron Hubbard meant it to be that fair game in reality
never
> >was cancelled.
> >This then would be: "HCO PL 21 Oct 68 "Cancellation of
Fair Game""
> >And that is simply not true!
> >
> >The issue they very conveniently leave out is:
> >"HCO PL 21 July 68 "Penalties for Lower Conditions"",
which is
> >predating the reference that they are quoting.
> >
> >HCO PL 21 July 68 cancelled the 1967 issue that they are upholding
> >this very day as being in use!!!! My God, it was cancelled already
36
> >YEARS AGO!!!!
> >
> >You'll find the whole story on following links:
> >http://fair-game-law.notlong.com &
> >http://hcopl-cancellation-fair-game.notlong.com
> >
> >Gerry Armstrong makes the claim:
> >"But Hubbard was just fair gaming his "enemies"
with his
> >"cancellation," just playing a trick on them. He "cancelled"
the use
> >of the term "fair game" when declaring people "enemies"
or "SPs," with
> >the cynical excuse that it caused bad PR, but he ordered that the
same
> >"treatment" of those "enemies" continue as
before. The Scientologists
> >in the Hubbard regime knew that the same violent, antisocial and
> >criminal actions were to be taken against these "enemies,"
the "SPs."
> >Fair game would continue, but it would not be called by that name."
>
> Yes, I've made the claim, and it has been demonstrated beyond even
> your ability to avoid the demonstration. See the Armstrong case:
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/index.html
Sorry, but that does not address even the issue! Simple fact. It is
about how to deal with and understand policies within Scientology. You
talk almost only about what some people do.
> Now it is up to you. Fair game has been shown to be the name for
> Scientology's designated treatment of Suppressive Persons.
Not for Scientology. Only for the present church may be and only some
individuals being in there.
> You have
> come up with *no* other name Hubbard used or ordered be used for the
> treatment of SPs.
It was cancelled, and you dishonestly make a false claim in regards to
ti.
> I have also provided a shocking number of unethical, immoral,
> misanthropic or criminal intentions and acts that Hubbard served up
in
> policy as "effective," "command intentioned" examples
of the treatment
> of SPs, all of which -- the unethical, immoral, misanthropic and
> criminal intentions and acts in the prescribed treatment of SPs, and
> the SPs themselves -- fall under the rubric of "fair game."
Sorry, claiming that does not make a true, in fact I addressed any of
your objections and you are still standing there with empty hands.
> Your spending all this time and effort to deny fair game's existence
> and doing nothing to end that sick and dangerous philosophy, policy
> and practice is obvious to anyone with eyes to see, and is a really
> sick activity itself.
I NEVER EVER denied ANY EXISTENCE OF FAIR GAME AT ANY TIME ANYWHERE!!!
My claim is solely that Fair Game is nó standard, proper or accepted
practice of Scientology. It has not been since July 1968.
> >The ever 'honest' Fredric Rice says something similar.
> >
> >Andreas Heldal-Lund however does not in particular make this claim,
> >and he seems only to have been misled. Do you see!
> >Would they acknowledge the existence of: "HCO PL 21 July 68
"Penalties
> >for Lower Conditions"", then they will lose an argument.
"No!", say
> >Armstrong and Rice,
>
> What a liar you are, Spacetrainingroutine-L. Post it.
The claim made by you on your site on that particular page (link given
in first post on this thread), say that you are the liar.
> >"it is better to simply ignore this issue, and we
> >then simply will mislead our readers!"
>
> Who or what is avoiding Spacetrematode? LF
>
> Anyone with a clue. F
>
> People who aren't masochists. LF
>
> Everyone. LFBD F/N
>
> And everyone should avoid you, Spacetrainingseat, because you're
> dishonest in the extreme.
> No one should be subjected to the torture of
> communicating with you. Your dishonesty is deliberate and deliberately
> cruel. It's a good thing, I think, to save anyone from even a moment's
> deliberate cruelty, so I try to speak up once in a while when a person
> like you pulls your kind of abusiveness.
The usual approach. Accuse without valid claims.
snip
> >And don't forget: "Gerry Armstrong is the expert on 'fair
game'."
>
> Yes. You can read a great deal of my expert testimony starting here:
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/index.html
Ah, here we have it! I am Gerryoko (aka Gerryono), I am so, so very
proud of myself, I am the Fair Game and SP expert! (please clap your
hands, yes, yes, thank you....)
> While you're posting the issue or issues that you claim I'm avoiding,
> perhaps you'd also post your own testimony in any legal proceedings
> regarding fair game, or regarding any other key parts of Scientology.
The problem is that these have NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING outstanding
with the policies that L. Ron Hubbard wrote. You talk about the doings
of some people.
>
> I am more generally known for my expertise regarding the "Suppressive
> Person" doctrine. There are very few experts in the SP doctrine
who
> are willing to provide their expertise, either in or out of the legal
> arena. I believe, sadly I admit, that Caroline and I have the only
web
> site in the world that addresses the Suppressive Person doctrine.
> People reading a.r.s. are completely aware of your utter avoidance
of
> the SP doctrine, the very vital and dominant component of Scientology
> that underlies and generates the fair game that you pretend you are
so
> passionate about.
I am passionate about correct duplication. You are not.
>
> >Yeah, let us not forget that! He wrote that to me at various
> >locations! I haven't had contact with Andreas Heldal-Lund about
this,
> >however he must have seen the discussions about this matter. I
would
> >strongly urge him to adjust his webpage.
> >
> >Spacetraveler
>
> One final time, Spacetransparency, post the publication.
>
> This is how to post a publication:
>
> [Quote]
>
> HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
> Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
>
> Remimeo
>
> HCO POLICY LETTER OF 18 OCTOBER 1967
> Issue IV
>
> PENALTIES FOR LOWER CONDITIONS
> (Applies both Orgs and Sea Org)
>
> LIABILITY -- Suspension of Pay and a dirty grey rag on left arm and
> day and night confinement to org premises.
>
> TREASON -- Suspension of pay and deprivation of all uniforms and
> insignia, a black mark on left cheek and confinement on org premises
> or dismissal from post and debarment from premises.
>
> DOUBT -- Debarment from premises. Not to be employed. Payment of fine
> amounting to any sum may have cost org. Not to be trained or
> processed. Not to be communicated or argued with.
>
> ENEMY -- SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured
> by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the
> Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.
>
> LRH:jp
> Copyright c 1967
> by L. Ron Hubbard
> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED L. RON HUBBARD
> Founder
>
> [End Quote]
Above is cancelled by:
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO POLICY LETTER OF 21 JULY 1968
(Cancels HCO Pol Ltr 18 October 67 issue IV)
Remimeo
PENALTIES FOR LOWER CONDITIONS
(Applies to both Orgs and Sea Org)
LIABILITY - Dirty grey rag on left arm. May be employed at any
additional work. Day and night confinement to premises.
DOUBT - May be confined in or be barred from premises. Handcuff on
left wrist. May be fined up to the amount carelessness or neglect has
cost org in actual money.
ENEMY - Suppressive Person order. May not be communicated with by
anyone except an Ethics Officer, Master at Arms, a Hearing Officer or
a Board or Committee. May be restrained or imprisoned. May not be
protected by any rules or laws of the group he sought to injure as he
sought to destroy or bar fair practices for others. May not be trained
or processed or admitted to any org.
TREASON - May be turned over to civil authorities. Full background to
be explored for purposes of prosecution. May not be protected by the
rights and fair practices he sought to destroy for others. May be
restrained or debarred. Not to be communicated with. Debarred from
training and processing and advanced courses forever. Not covered by
amnesties.
Note: Any lower
Condition assigned is subject to a Hearing if requested and to Ethics
Review Authority or Petition if the formula is applied. A ship
captain's okay is required in the SO for conditions below Danger,
similarly in orgs where the Exec Council must approve one (Exception
is Missions during the Mission who have unlimited powers).