"You see, take
a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet in there (also easy).
Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires some doingness), then go to
him (take a plane, that's fastest), wait for him (at some place), pull your
gun (does not require much musclepower), then aim (some will have problems
with this), and finally pull the trigger..(keep your hand steady or you'll
miss altogether). Easy no?"
This is actually a response to
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bj1eg05s9212ciu1cmituqvrdno8c3tv0h%404ax.com
However it was too interesting to put it in some old thread, so I
created a whole new thread of it.
Gerry Armstrong <g...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<bj1eg05s9212ciu1cmituqvrdno8c3tv0h@4ax.com>...
> On 26 Jul 2004 14:31:13 -0700, spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com
> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> >The issue of HCOPL 21 July 1968 and this at least in writing
> >cancelling fair game practices has to do with that so far both
Gerry
> >Armstrong and Fredric Rice avoid it's actual existence.
>
> What is so important about what I have to say that you have to lie
> about it? LF
>
> That reads. So what? LF
>
> There are only two reasons, related to each other, why I have not
> responded to any of your posts when I have not responded: your
> dishonesty and your pretended stupidity. I find you very dishonest.
> You have lied about me multiple times. I find your pretended stupidity
> so dominates your "communication" mode, that I now hold no
hope
> whatsoever of engaging you in a real discussion. I find you such a
> liar, your pretended stupidity so obvious, and the targets of your
> lies also so obvious, that it makes no sense to assume you're other
> than a cult op, knowingly opped, co-opped or not.
There is factually just one sole reason why you would not answer. And
that is the fact that it will put you in an uncomfortable position.
And there is NO OTHER REASON. I repeat NO OTHER REASON! Evasion
tactics noted!
The following REMAINS UNANSWERED!
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com
> I will, as I'm moved and have the time, correct your lies.
Prove them to be lies, so far I disproved EVERY SINGLE ONE of your
manipulations.
> As you can clearly see, I am not avoiding the existence of any policy
> letter or other Scientology cult directive, policy or order of any
> kind. Your assertion that I am avoiding the existence of some policy
> letter is a lie. I am demonstrating right here that it is a lie.
You avoid to acknowledge to me what it actually says, furthermore you
fail to correct your website where you still avoid to mention this
very reference. Simple fact!
> As I
> said, I have avoided attempting to engage you in what is commonly
> understood to be real discussion, after attempting on numerous
> occasions to engage you in real discussions,
If have attempted to get you to finish off your communications with
me, which so far you fail to do. I repeat WHICH YOU SO FAR FAIL TO DO!
And that you even admit in the beginning remarks of your post.
Extensively you explain why you did not respond.
> because of your
> dishonesty and your pretended stupidity, which serve the Scientology
> cult's malevolent purposes.
The following REMAINS UNANSWERED!
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com
Prove the policies of L. Ron Hubbard serving malevolent purposes. I am
consulting your understanding of the above in that communication. So
far you fail to respond. Simple observed FACT!
> It's not completely unhelpful that you lie so much, actually. If you'd
> told the truth you could make a point or two for Scientology and
> Scientologists. Now you simply reaffirm the knowledge that Scientology
> makes those able to prevaricate lie like a sidewalk.
You talk, and talk, and still say nothin'.
> >My argument
> >is that doing such even when made aware of these references is
> >'premeditated' dishonesty. Both still claim that the later Oct
1968
> >issue (which cancelled only the use of the name fair game) meant
that
> >the message was given by L. Ron Hubbard was that one should continue
> >with fair gaming people, but only not name it fair game anymore.
And
> >this attitude I regard as convenient manipulation.
>
> You are lying again. Where did I ever state that?
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/sp/pl-1968-10-21-cancel-fair-game.html
Your website I believe?
You say there:
"Note: Hubbard's fair game doctrine, when he laid it out in his Policy
Letter of 18 October 1967, was quickly recognized by thinking
government officials, journalists and citizens as calling for violent,
illegal actions against the cult's "enemies." As a result, he
issued
another Policy Letter dated 21 October 1968 entitled "Cancellation
of
Fair Game," that the Miscavige regime insists cancelled this criminal
doctrine. But Hubbard was just fair gaming his "enemies" with
his
"cancellation," just playing a trick on them. He "cancelled"
the use
of the term "fair game" when declaring people "enemies"
or "SPs," with
the cynical excuse that it caused bad PR, but he ordered that the same
"treatment" of those "enemies" continue as before. The
Scientologists
in the Hubbard regime knew that the same violent, antisocial and
criminal actions were to be taken against these "enemies," the
"SPs."
Fair game would continue, but it would not be called by that name.
GA"
The above gives your OWN words on you OWN website. I am lying, Gerry?
Get a grip on yourself!
L. Ron Hubbard did not play some trick as you proclaim, HCOPL 21 July
1968 EXISTS! DEAL with it!
> It is obvious that Hubbard ordered and enforced Fair Game at all
> times. There has never been a time since at least 1966 when Fair Game
> was not Scientology's basic philosophy, policy and practice. Fair Game
> is Scientology's basic philosophy, policy and practice regardless of
> what directives the cult has ever published that imply otherwise.
Unsupported opinion, which is entirely useless!
> You pretend ignorance of Fair Game. That's fine, because that's how
> much credibility your claims should be given. I have been recognized
> judicially as an expert in Fair Game, have testified concerning Fair
> Game in several legal proceedings, and written dozens of sworn expert
> declarations or affidavits concerning my knowledge and experiences
of
> Fair Game.
I don't give a damn about what some court, legal proceedings and I
don't know what may or may not judicially 'recognize'. It is your
behaviour, your words on your website which decide that, and nothing
else. You the expert on Fair Game avoids completely the existence of
HCOPL 21 July 1968, which is factually cancelling the practice of Fair
Game. It cancels SPECIFICALLY Policy Letter of 18 October 1967, your
claimed Fair Game issue. And you don't know or want to know about this
issue and intead talk on your website like this issue does not exist?
YOU the EXPERT on FAIR GAME? Explain!
Do I smell some dishonesty here, Gerry?
> On the other pseudopod, you won't even reveal your name,
> and you only make the noise of an empty clam shell.
That my friend is my privilege.
> >Anything which is not being used is useless.
>
> A fine example of pretended stupidity. You base your lies on this kind
> of idiocy. Try using your brain.
Sorry, it is the fact of reality. A reality that you choose to not
face. May be got som'thin' to do with som' policy you don't want to
know 'bout, yeah, may be.
Please also explain to us HOW you misinterpreted 'criticism'.
I asked about you understanding about it in the communication you
conveniently AVOID to respond to.
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com