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I don't know about Roger's history. But if by Gerry you means Armstrong, he
is not in the same boat as me. He is out for the buck and up to no good. not
even for himself. You are right though that purpose is senior to policy,
but LRH's purpose for HIS orgs is ONLY to deliver services and to get people
in to deliver services too. Justice is one of the services. Chaplains
services do civil justice and HCO does group justice services including
justice services against administrators. You may have missed it but I need
help to put the package together, cant be done by myself. After it is done
and done right the we will see if the appropriate actions are taken. Up to
now there has been a problem communicating. Not that they should have to
have it all handed to them on a silver platter, but handed to them on a
silver platter with no room for error should bring a win off where there had
been only losses.
One thing is for certain, OSA and HCO are generating antagonisms because of
THEIR off policy and off purpose actions. There is no need to "protect the
church" from someone seeking to get tech and policy in. Those that engage
in
such should be seem for what they are.
Nelson
"Genesis" <genesis1652@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40681f6e@news2.lightlink.com...
> One of the old mans policy is---Purpose is Senior to Policy.
>
> The chuuch protects it self every which way it can, and applies
> policy to suit its desired out come. You are a loose cannon to
> them Nelson, and they have done what their policy says,
> protect the group at all costs. Members lurking here, even if they
> agreed with you, will only tell you, write it up, send it up lines, and
> once it goes to IJC, and still nothing is resolved for you, you know
> where you stand.
> Hundreds of people have been ruined by the church, and never had
> justice put in.
> A few brave ones do take on the church, Roger, and Gerry, to name a
> few, but from what I have read, it's a long battle, with no guarantee of
> true justice.
> Are you willing to go the route of court and taking on their lawyers?
> To them Nelson, you are a walking Motivator, and as such
> in their eyes you are guilty of Overts.
> All the activities of the church are protected by their policy, and when
> one of the policies is Purpose is Senior to Policy, in their estimation,
> they can do no wrong, and that is what you are up against.
>
> Genesis
>
> --awareness is only enjoyed by a few--
>
> "Nelson" <nwh@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:ejR9c.39905$R27.11331@pd7tw2no...
> > Maybe if I word things this way I will get some overdue backup. The
same
> > thing is said many different ways. So none should not get the point.
> >
> > I require the help of someone good at following down chains of false
> reports
> > to demonstrate the false reports as false reports justice actions were
> based
> > on. The intention is to go after the penalties prescribed by law as
well
> as
> > scientology ethics and justice actions against the offenders for having
> made
> > the false reports. for carelessly basing justice actions on those false
> > reports, for impeding justice and other intentional legal and moral
wrongs
> > relating to same. These are in addition to kidnapping, extortion and
> > accessory to every other crime my ex wife is demonstrably guilty of.
> >
> > They seem to think that I will save myself by forgetting about all that,
> go
> > into propitiation to get back in good standing and forget about the
fate
> of
> > the woman I married and forget about the wrongs attendant when letting
> > kidnappers, extortionists and blackmail artists have and keep a man's
> > children and use them adroitly for their dark blackmail and punishment
> > operation.
> >
> > They error in assuming my own personal benefit (being in good standing)
> can
> > be divorced from the best interests of people I am personally
responsible
> > for. Scientology was ruined for my ex-wife by those who protected her
> > dishonesties to protect their own dishonesties. And to conceal their
> > incompetence on important posts. The net result is condemnation to her
> own
> > hell. That is not my opinion but straight out of the text of "Honest
> People
> > Have Rights Too." And what happens to momma happens to the children
as
> they
> > long since went out of their own valences and into the valences of those
> > that overwhelmed them.
> >
> > I can not speak for others but as for myself, it is not ok to let a
> marital
> > partner avoid the ethics officer when demonstrably guilty of suppressive
> > acts. By her own suppressive actions she has separated herself from
> > scientology and denied herself case gains. Unless she is labelled we
will
> > never get her back. If she is left to rot in her own hell, I will see
> those
> > responsible suffer the same and worse. It is in their best interests
too
> > that they be kinder to my ex than they have been. And that means she
gets
> > unmasked so that she can reform and get honest and strait. I am PTS-A
to
> > that woman but that is no excuse to disconnect without first doing all
> > possible to reform her. All possible includes giving her a court for
her
> bad
> > actions and harmful omissions and false reports. Anything less is
cruelty
> > itself. And that is not being kind or good or social now is it? And
> unless
> > justice is seen to be done the ARC breaks of the group itself will not
be
> > repaired.
> >
> > One of the problems is those that recommended or condoned her actions
> would
> > be in trouble too if any ethics or justice actions were done on her,
> because
> > they are accessories, even if only by failing to crowd ethics in on
her
or
> > convene justice actions where there was clear cut need for same. Truth
is
> > that are in more trouble if they don't and are never brought to justice.
> > That would not be true for wog justice but it is true for Scientology
> > justice. And certainly not scientology justice the way they are
> > administering it, to have no reform in mind. It is justice used for
> > vengeance and for oppression with not a thought of it's reform function
in
> > view. The reform function, dropped out, makes it a squirrel activity.
So
> we
> > wont give them that.
> >
> > And the fact is no one should have to go on and on suffering the
> > consequences of the negligence and bad actions of others.
> >
> > I want some justice and that necessitates someone good at following
down
> > false reports, unmasking the offenders. Someone that is not afraid to
> > offence nor scared to enforce policy, and that is not suppressively
> > reasonable. In truth the task overwhelmed me many times. Restimulation
of
> > case disturbances, un-repaired past ethics conditions, and other
traumatic
> > events that have Auditor Code breaks and false reports and incorrectly
> > assigned ethics conditions as common denominators. And on top of all
that
> is
> > the irrational refusal to repair ARC breaks.
> >
> > It really takes someone exterior to self to do an audit of the false
> > reports. In scientology it is a shooting offence to let someone get
hit
> with
> > wrong conditions. For that reason there is a vested interest to enforce
> the
> > wrong past conditions and demand, demand, demand, demand that I cave
in
> and
> > do the steps for re-entry so they are not hit with the natural
> consequences
> > of their own actions or those of their predecessors. It seems
"friendship"
> > forbids that and takes rank over policy and the HCO codes to their own
> > peril. And it is not that I have not made extraordinary efforts to give
> > them every opportunity to handle the situation delicately, I have.
> >
> > Look at it as a detective or investigative action and do something
> effective
> > to help make justice everything it is suppose to be. Fair and
equitable.
> > One cant have either of those and hence cant have justice as long as
> > administrators of justice are negligent in justice and will not tolerate
> > anyone standing in the way of their making justice anything the care
to
> make
> > it. The first rule of scientology justice is to FIRST confront the
accused
> > with the report and where possible the accuser(s) BEFORE punishing
> actions
> > of any kind are handed out. Those what broke the rules will have to
eat
> > crow. And they will have to eat it raw because they pressed ahead
knowing
> > the reports were false.
> >
> > So there is two tasks. Demonstrating the negligence in justice and the
> > falsehoods used on and on long after their falsity should have been
> obvious
> > to even a child.
> >
> > I have asked (per the policy on chaplains courts) to sue HCO - the
justice
> > arm of scientology for cancellation of it's ethics order on me. And
true
> to
> > form, in keeping with their past history, have refused to cooperate
with
> > even that.
> >
> > So the gloves are off. It is better this way than to take justice into
my
> > own hands as that would be fatal to many. The ethical imperative for
a
> > solution that is for the greatest good for the greatest number of
dynamics
> > demands forbearance on my part and intelligent use of force against
these
> > menaces in keeping with the laws of the land and the HCO code of
> > Scientology.
> > My hands are tied in that direction. I could use some help to clear
away
> the
> > backlog and get the makers of false reports the penalties prescribed
and
> > justly deserved.
> >
> > That some of these people are OSA and HCO and opinion leaders only
serves
> to
> > show more urgency and show more just cause why they need to be dealt
with
> > while they are still only small bullies and can be stopped. They
> > opportunistically stopped justice actions that should have been done
and
> > caused justice actions they knew or aught to have known should not have
> been
> > done.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards = Nelson
> >
> >
> >
>
>