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From: Martyisirresistable@emailaccount.com (Barbara Schwarz)
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Martyisirresistable@emailaccount.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<eddd254a.0403191542.5dc8df70@posting.google.com>...
> steff0removethisorthat@s.netic.de wrote in message news:>...

Stefan, are you the brother of Thomas Gandow, one of the lutheran
Scientology persecutors in Germany who follows in the footsteps of the
rotten and now dead Friedrich Wilhelm Haack? Are you the brother of
Thomas Gandow you habours Gerry Armstrong, stealer of forged and
planted documents and fugitive of American justice?

I should add that it is mainly Marty, (yes, Marty Rathbun, Mark de
Rothschild) who protects my life. He hired detectives to protect my
life. Protecting my life must cost him a fortune, but he does it
nevertheless.

If the SEGNPMSS knows that he will raise hell if I drop suddenly dead
as he loves me as much as I love him. And when he would be murdered, I
would do the same, so would his family.

He is the quiet real hero here. If it would be not for him, the
SEGNPMSS would have already burried me. He is likely even more in
danger to lose his life than I am through the German methods you
described below, Stefan, or through other methods but also ordered by
the SEGNPMSS. I bet the SEGNPMSS make his life to a living hell for
being the good man that he is and not letting me go down.

Marty is the most godlike, courageous, intelligent and best man one
can imagine. (And also the most handsome, passionate and sexiest!)

In other words: Stefan, your Lutheran wish that nobody investigates my
death after being murdered will not come true. It will trigger a
landslide, so will it when they murder, Marty, my husband and my
prince.

Tell Gerry Armstrong he finally should mail me some of my wedding
photos with Marty, as he has some. He was one of our wedding guest. I
remember him, the sneaky and slimy infiltrator.

Barbara Schwarz

> > Martyisirresistable@emailaccount.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> > news:eddd254a.0403180938.1e7274a9@posting.google.com:
> >
> > > steff0removethisorthat@s.netic.de wrote in message
> > > news:>...
> > >> theonewhoshallnotspeakout@emailaccount.com (Guess who?) wrote in
> > >> news:7a350238.0403171050.9162cbe@posting.google.com:
> > >>
> > >> > From: Martyisirresistable@emailaccount.com (Barbara Schwarz)
> > >> > Newsgroups:
> > >> > alt.religion.scientology,misc.education,alt.privacy,misc.activism.pr
> > >> > ogr essive Subject: Dave and Peter, co-joined twins?
> > >> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.127.246.131
> > >> > Message-ID: <eddd254a.0403160930.18b4872f@posting.google.com>
> > >> >
> > >> > There is a stupid statement by Dave Touretzky and Peter Alexander
> > >> > that DUI
> > >> > and prohibited weapon Barb Graham Warr carries around in her
> > >> > signature line whenever she posts.
> > >>
> > >> Barbara, give it up. Your Guru was a plain lying old coneman, caught
> > >> in so many lies.
> > >
> > > What con-man? What guru? You mean the head of the German psychiatric
> > > association?
> > >
> > > What should I give up? Saying that Dave Touretzky is perverted? He has
> > > bomb instructions and porn on his website, and he harassed me with a
> > > porn letter and he and his friends hi-jacked my websites. You bet that
> > > I have a right to speak out about that.
> > >
> > >> Now you try to pee at peoples' ankles, not able to come up to
> > >> eye level heights, as you prefer to drive your drivel crawling in the
> > >> sands of the circus arena, that your master left empty.
>
> I am no dog, German Shepard, like you, Stefan.
> > >
> > > What master? I am not run thru a case officer as you, Stefan, the
> > > Sitzfan. (Probably indicates that you might up end in prison somewhere
> > > in future.)
> > >
> > > That unprofessional and dumb Touretzky and Alexander statement is
> > > signed by both of them. What does that mean? That if the table turns
> > > one can accuse the other one of having made it? Can't everyone make
> > > their own statement? (And be held accountable for?)
> > >
> > >
> > >> All the of your above mentioned people are masters of their own, able
> > >> to speak out their own minds and opinions any time of the day.
>
> Yes, I noticed the defamation, discrimination, hate speech and the
> many many lies of the remote controlled psychiatric trolls.
>
> > >
> > > That statement is a co-production. They don't speak their own mind but
> > > sort of a collective mind.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> None, per definition none of any of the so called Scientologists
> > >> could even start to think individually audible about their 'belief'
> > >> towards, what their Hubbard called the realms to come beyond the
> > >> bridge, without loosing their certificates of being a good
> > >> Scientologist, let alone talk about their ways of the way towards
> > >> there.
>
> I do what I want. I say and post what I want. I am still a
> Scientologist. However, your German secret service sent people in the
> orgs who try to make others afraid of speaking against their
> psychiatric plans for Scientology. But that is not L. Ron Hubbard's
> Scientology, that is what the psychs have in mind for Scientology.
> > >
> > > As if I would be not a shiny example about the individualism and
> > > outspokeness of a Scientologist. I think on my own, I speak on my own,
> > > I act on my own,
> >
> > And you for long have talked your ass out of any org of this current
> > CoS, and you know that. You are at a one-woman crusade for a Scientology-
> > world, that fits you. Good enough.
>
> You should work on your character and your language, Stefan. That is
> no way to talk with a lady.
>
> I remember Ron's Scientology. I have no perfect re-call but I post how
> I truly remember it. No lies, nothing made up. If the world that I
> want to build, the world that I recall as Ron's, the world that I
> described in numerous postings, than you are a sick man, Stefan, very
> sick. What is wrong with peace,spiritual freedom, abilities and
> eternal youth and health for everyone?
>
> >
> > >and one of my favorite writings of Ron was that he
> > > said that an individual should think for herself and find the truth
> > > for herself.
> >
> > I am sure, he did not say 'her'self, as he, macho that he was, even
> > wouldn't do so today, delivering the argument, that it would be childish.
>
> Splitting hairs? Is that all you can do?
> >
> > >Did your psychiatric case officer ever tell you that,
> > > Stefan? No, he didn't.
>
> Sure he did.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Scientology is, would be one of the most dangerous scams on this
> > >> planet. Thanks god, it doesn't take most people too long, to sort it
> > >> out.
> > >
> > > Psychiatry, the German invention, is the most dangerous scam on the
> > > planet.
> >
> > Interesting enough to mention here, that Scientology itself is a german
> > invention, as you well know. Mr. Nordenholz came forward with the whole
> > subject quite many years earlier, and a much higher scientific approach,
> > as that.
>
> Here is some of the evidence! The Germans want to claim SCN as their
> own! I am convinced that the Nordenholz book is BACKDATED and theft
> from Ron's writing. Moreover, I read the Nordenholz book. It is about
> the 8 Dynamics. It is total pseudo scientific garbage. If Ron indeed
> borrowed something from Nordenholz (which he did not) than he made
> with his 8 dynamics exact science out of pseudo science. A miracle!
> >
> > > Pscyhiatry runs you to twist the facts and accuse Scientology on what
> > > Psychiatry is doing. They even invade SCN with their agents and alter
> > > it and try to destroy if from the inside out. They even hired a
> > > impostors to say they would be L. Ron Hubbard to harm his reputation.
> >
> > Yep, your fixed idea again. *If* this org is infiltrated, and *if* you're
> > the daughter of L. Ron Hubbard, why don't you just blow them off the
> > table?
>
> What are you promoting here, Stefan? A terror act? Shame on you!
>
> There is no "if" I am Ron's daughter. My recall hereto is crystal
> clear. German mindcontrol did not last. I am his kidnapped biological
> daughter.
>
> >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Except some tenthousand nut-cases, which were stupid enough, to spill
> > >> out their inner secrets before some blackmailing Nazi-type
> > >> mindcontrol- officers, which are called case supervisors and ethics
> > >> officers.
> > >
> > > That high numbers should be compared to those few little nuts cases,
> > > the extremists that attack L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology by spreading
> > > lies about them. The Nazi mindcontrollers are a German idea, Stefan,
> > > they have nothing to do with Scientology. If they are in the orgs,
> > > then because your freaking German still existing Nazi secret service
> > > sent them in to destroy.
> >
> > No, girl Barbara, and that's the sad truth. Most of these so called case
> > supervisors in today's Scientology orgs have *by far* not enough self-
> > esteem and courage left, to even grasp the idea of an independant integer
> > evaluation of the 'case' in view of a healing, for the better of the PC
> > or whatever you want to call it, and in doubt, *against* *any
> > administrative powers within this cult network.
>
> You have no knowledge as to why Scientologists stay Scientologists.
> They had, despite that it is infiltrated and altered, wins in
> Scientology. Some probably stay because they don't want psychs to
> overtake it completely. They know that Scientology has to survive but
> go back to their roots. They probably just waiting for the right
> moment to get it back to pure L. Ron Hubbard Scientology.
> Others in the orgs are no Scientologists, but guys like you, pro
> psychs and they do what others are upset about it. But many of what
> SCN is accused of is also totally fabricated.
>
>
> > Any person, who gives itself into the hands of this organisation for the
> > purpose of *healing* is in constant danger to loose the freedom as an
> > individual, and get lost in the oppressive machinery.
>
> This is a bunch of psychiatric German crap.
>
> > In short, there are really more assholes within this network by now, than
> > outside. This type of hierarchical org breeds a certain type of
> > obediancy, and that's what you get.
>
> How do you want to know? You never were in SCN. I never was obedient.
> I always did what I thought was right, and that is the way Ron wants
> the Scientologists to be.
>
> As far as the psychiatric moles are concerned, they are something
> else, but I don't use the cheap language that you use.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Not rich enough, to have ever gotten a life of their own, they give
> > >> up their own precious life for strange opinions on it, to adjust to.
> > >
> > > You think that money makes a life?
> >
> > No, you haven't gotten that. It *feels* rich, to really have a life of
> > your own!
>
> Yes, that is why you should not allow yourself to be run by your
> psychiatric case officer and mindcontroller, Stefan. Why don't you
> post the code, the numbers, upon which they run you.
>
> >It is such a precious feeling, that noone, who ever tasted it
> > consciously, would give it up for someone else's ideas of own's own life,
> > ha!
>
> Interesting, you are a mindcontrolled SEGNPMSS robot and you think you
> are free, Stefan. What an illusion!
> >
> > >Honor, duty, a mission in life to
> > > better the world is much more important than a bank account.
> >
> > Right so, Barbara, you just need to realize now, that Mr. Hubbard gave a
> > fuck for this ideas! He used them on you to trick you into that thing,
> > that's all!
>
> What a cheap, lying and hate filled bastard you are, Stefan. I know
> Ron a lot better than you. You never met him. You don't know him at
> all. You just swallowed all the German lies and hatred about him.
> >
> > >(However,
> > > Ron did not write exessive finance policies.
> >
> > Oh, he did in his middle times, hard sell, and all that. But later on,
> > this theme somehow faded out, it became a taboo, at least for public
> > eyes, as the fees this org was charging was hilarious, and it had become
> > a money scheme all over all ready.
>
> You did not see him doing that, and he did not. Upon what do you base
> your knowledge about Ron? From your case officer and other liars?
> People forged his name so often.
> >
> > >Your German secret
> > > service did that, and they transported the SCN reserves to Europe,
> > > where they want to take it soon officially over.)
> >
> > You're talking bull, and you should know for sure.
>
> You know it is the truth, and you can't handle the truth as it does
> not fit in your hate picture of what the German secret service made
> SCN.
>
> > laundry attempt, from the very heads of the org, and it somehow failed.
>
> Heads of the org? You mean moles like Jane Kember, or Mary Sue who did
> not marry Ron but either fabricated the marriage or married Jack
> Marshall, or another the impostor (by knowing it is the impostor)?
>
>
> > Not that they would need it excessively now. Much more sophisticated by
> > now, WISE, and all that.
> >
> > >
> > >> Or plain young enough, to be lured into the sweet false promises,
> > >> that Mr. Hubbard made to them about bettering mankind,
>
> Those are no false promises.
>
> >>> and too proud
> > >> to admit,
>
> Real Scientologists are thinking you and the likes of you are the
> total fools, Stefan, as they had spiritual wins that you don't even
> know exist.
>
> that the story they play in is called cesar's new cloth'
> > >> and they paid for it. With their money,
>
> You can have huge wins with Scientology technology without having to
> pay much. There are lots of data that you can apply to your life and
> turn it to a success. Many Scientologists are very successful in life,
> a lot more than you or the other attacking fanatics are.
>
> or worse, their life, by
> > >> signing up a stupid one billion year contract, ticket to lunacity.
>
> That is more a symbolic contract. It means that you will be always a
> Scientologists and a Sea Org member. What is your problem with it? Why
> are Scientologists not allowed to make that decision? It can't be
> legally enforced and it is not. So give them a break.
>
>
> > >
> > > Ron made no false promises, but your German secret service, the
> > > SEGNPMSS stole much of his technology.
> >
> > Look, Barbara, Mr. Hubbard stole all of his life stuff,
>
> That is what the German secret service, the SEGNPMSS made up. *They*
> are the stealers and the liars. Not Ron. He never stole anything, he
> just gave.
>
> >that he did find
> > useful for his purposes.
>
> The SEGNPMSS found SCN useful to make money and dangerous for their
> secret world ruling plans, that is why they infiltrated it and try to
> say that SCN is German, see the Nordenholz set up.
>
> >And he of course for example at more than one
> > occasion admired admittedly the third-Reich organisation, and, yes, it's
> > secret service.
>
> You are so sick, Stefan! He never did. He was completely appalled over
> the Nazis, just as his father Dwight David Eisenhower! The German
> Nazis try to get forgeries in circulation saying that Ron was another
> man and admired the Germans! This is so disgusting!
>
>
> > And in fact, what you have by now in top amanagement of CoS, are a bunch
> > of wannabees Nazi Officers, that know their business very cold.
>
> I posted before that the staff are mixed. There are the real and good
> and law abiding Scientologists and there are the psychiatric oriented
> SEGNPMSS run infiltrators. Both kind of people are in all kinds of
> positions, low and high.
>
> >And if
> > you look at any one of thiese later FLAG staff pictures, it does not need
> > much imagination, to see most of these women understanding themselfes as
> > something like these BDM Führerinnen, that better-educated germans still
> > remember so well. Lookout, steel-in-the-eye, all that.
>
> Lol. I did not see that at all, but if the BDM Fuhrerinnen are in
> there, they need to be convicted, including your freaking German
> Secret service who sent those international Hitler girls in, right?
>
>
> >
> > >The SEGNPMSS (Still Existing
> > > German Nazi Psych Mindcontroller Secret Service) runs also Al Queda
> > > and other terror groups and coordinates their activities against
> > > Americans a Jews. The SEGNPMSS suffers under the same old Nazi
> > > sickness as they always did.
> >
> > I can tell you from first-hand experience, Barbara, that you are talking
> > yourself since years into the proximity of the very people I know of,
> > that understand themselfes as direct heirs of the Third Reich.
> > All for the best of mankind, understood.
>
> Huh? What does that mean, except that you try to cover for the
> SEGNPMSS?
>
> You are in Germany. Did the Munich org not file legal actions against
> infiltration of your secret service?
> >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Your hero was a big mouth for a start, and when he was through with
> > >> the lie of his life, he was sitting in a bunker, hiding and waiting
> > >> for his end, full of drugs and unable to understand, what he had
> > >> done.
> > >>
> > >> steff
> > >
> > > Sorry, Steffan, your German propaganda lies don't work with me. I
> > > happen to know a 100 % that the confused man who died in 1986 with
> > > Vistaril in his body was not L. Ron Hubbard, just a look a like, same
> > > kind of which Saddam had ten, a Doppelgaenger (even the word says that
> > > the Germans are behind such scams to impersonate.)
> >
> > I'd rather say, it's another clever attempt of americans, to image us
> > germans appropiate.
>
> Many Germans are inappropriate, to say it in rather kind words. German
> psychs and Nazis are the worst people on earth. And as
> it is a secret German world, they bring out the worst also in other
> nationals.
> >
> > >Ron was murdered
> > > before, on orders of your disgusting secret service. Too bad I figured
> > > it all out.
> >
> > Why should it be bad then, if it's true, Barbara?
>
> That is what I ask myself too. You should ask your secret service why
> they can't leave me alone, esp. after I figured out what they did and
> are doing.
>
> >
> > >Now they have a problem with me, would like to kill me,
> > > but don't know how to do it without that they are going down by doing
> > > so.
> >
> > Oh Barbara, give it up. What do you think would really happen, if you
> > would brake down in the middle of Salt Lake City by a heart attack?
> > The world would investigate?
>
> The world not, but investigators would.
>
>
> > No. Some of your closer relatives would inquire with the local doctor,
> > some of us here would miss you, I guess.
> > But then?
>
> You forget that many case officers (rather other nationals but Germans
> and no psychs) want me to bring the German mindcontroller system down.
> They will blow the whistle when I drop dead. Bet on it.
>
>
> > There are several devices available since a time, that switch off a
> > bodie's life from a distance greater than a mile in a moment without any
> > traces left.
>
> You sure know about the German folter and killer instruments, don't
> you? Did your case officer describe that thing to you? They told you
> that they would love to use it on me, right?
>
>
> > If your revelations would be so important to have kept secret, *and if*
> > such an organisation would exist, that wouldn't have been a problem to
> > manage.
>
> It is a problem because there are international case officers
> (non-psychs) who plain adore me and my courage. They think I am the
> best what happened to the planet since Ron. And they know what the
> Germans are up to. They are insiders.
>
> There is also the CIA who has the order to protect my life. They could
> lose their lives if they would allow the Germans to murder me and if
> the international case officer fans that I have blow the whistle how I
> was murdered. I am Ike's granddaughter, don't forget about that neat
> little fact.
>
>
> > So, relax, and take a break from your own delusions. *These* secrets of
> > yours aren't important, they are false.
>
> You wish, Stefan, you wish. Mindcontrol works on you.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
> > >
> And Roger Gonnet, stop the lying in English or in French, it doesn't
> matter. Lies are lies.
> Barbara Schwarz
> copied from the www.religiousfreedomwatch.org
> ROGER GONNET (continued)
> On an English-speaking newsgroup, while discussing bomb threats
> against the Church of Scientology, Gonnet advocated blowing up
> Scientology buildings:
> From: roger gonnet (roger.gonnet@worldnet.fr)
> Date: 2000/09/21
> I'm not saying I hope someone could be killed. If they do
> that, even if this is not on order of any of the supergoons,
> i'd perhaps decide myself go to "BOMB" any org I
> can, (after having sent all the staffs out: victim killing
> is not parts of my plans). You know what I mean: I'm
> not after scientologists except some few DMs and lieutenants
> roger
> When a bailiff later showed up at his door with a complaint against
> him for making this bomb threat, Gonnet quickly recanted and claimed
> he was "just joking."
> Gonnet is a virulent defender of known explosives expert and convicted
> hate criminal, Keith Henson, who fled the U.S. to avoid sentencing.
>
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