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From: BarbaralovesMarty@excite.com (Barbara Schwarz)
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Subject: Re: recognition of Scientology as... a religion?
Date: 20 Dec 2003 12:00:55 -0800
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jimbo@sonic.net (Jim Bianchi) wrote in message news:<slrnbu7916.nea.jimbo@bolt.sonic.net>...
> On 19 Dec 2003 11:38:30 -0800, Barbara Schwarz
> <BarbaralovesMarty@excite.com> wrote:
> >jimbo@sonic.net (Jim Bianchi) wrote in message:
> >I had this morning only limited access to a computer, but I am back
> >and want to add just a few words to what I posted earlier.
>
> I see. Ok, no problemo..
>
> >As far as the Creation of Human Ability is concerned, it is correct
> >that Scientology is no psycho-therapy, but the part that Scientology
> >is not a religion is a fabrication and not by L. Ron Hubbard.
>
> I see. It is an outright fabrication (re the line about how scn is
> not a religion). .only, how did this come about? The date it was printed is
> quite a few years prior to a.r.s., Jacobsen, Touretsky, et al, and what you
> call anti-religious forces. Not only that, but the book was WRITTEN by
> Hubbard, proofread by him, and bears the imprimateur of scn. Ergo, anything
> said in it was most assuredly written by him.

Did you see L. Ron Hubbard write that citation and proofread and
publish it? I didn't. I know his character, and he never wrote that
SCN is no religion. Several of the ARS posters were in high positions
in the orgs, before they got the call from their case officers to and
attack suddenly from the outside. Arnie Lerma, Gerry Armstrong, Jesse
Prince were all in the orgs, before they attacked.

And they are others. There are enough infiltrators still in the orgs.
They get on executive positions and just forge and alter whatever
their case officers channels them through their lousy dirty ear
implants.

>
> >It is contrary to everything else he said and wrote about Scientology.
>
> I think not. He claimed scn and the auditing process was
> scientifically validated and the results obtainable by using it were 100%
> reproductible. These results included such items as an incredibly heightened
> IQ, eyesight, and memory, resistance to (and cure of if present) colds and
> other infections, homosexuality, and the ability to .ah, influence, what scn
> is pleased to call MEST (matter, energy, space, and time). Yuh. He also said
> these results were objective and did not depend on faith for their efficacy.
> Which puts them comfortably outside the realm of religious beliefs, which
> are subjective and rely upon faith.

Those claims are true, but the technology to get there is not longer
complete. Original SCN data to get there were removed by the
infiltrators.

>
> 100% means every time. Without fail. Now you'd tend to think that if
> a person could gain those abilities through scn training, they'd not attack
> scn. And if they did anyway, they'd f'sure do a better job of it than these
> pseudo forgers and impersonators you're ranting about have managed to do.

Some of them never got to know the data that were removed. Some simply
are too arrogant or stupid to try data out and apply them to their
lives. Some people are so remote controlled by their case officers
that they can't think for themselves. As soon as they hear their code,
they do it, no question asked, it doesn't matter what the outcome.

>
> If it will enhance one's abilities so much, why wasn't Hubbard able
> to demonstrate this?

He was.

>Why wasn't anyone able to demonstrate it?

Who says that nobody learned from Ron and is able to demonstrate
original SCN?

>You'd think
> with the enhanced IQ and memory alone, there'd be thousands of scn Nobel and
> Pulitzer prize winners. Where are they?

Several people got the Nobel and Pulitzer Prize for crap.
Nothing of what was awarded saves the world. But I remember original
SCN, I could show you the way.

As I posted before, the SEGNPMSS changed SCN, but there is still
enough data to enable Scientologists to do things that get prizes if
they want to stand on the platform together with the people that got
the prizes. I would say that Scientologists have other priorities than
winning those non-scientological prices.

On the other side, the world is SEGNPMSS controlled. They would know
how to avoid that Scientologists would get a prizes like that.

Where are all the monumental medical
> and technological breakthroughs, the literary and artistic masterpieces such
> powers should generate?

I would say that they are deliberately suppressed by the SEGNPMSS
(still existing German Nazi psych secret service).

>
> >Nobody knew better than him that Scientology is a religion, dealing
> >with ALL issues the other religions deal too, but giving scientific
> >explanation as to who we are, where we come from, where we go, what
> >the past was,
>
> I see. You mean, as Judge Brinkema said:
> -- quote --
> Founded by L. Ron Hubbard, the Scientology religion attempts to explain the
> origin of negative spiritual forces in the world, and advances techniques
> for improving one's own spiritual well-being. Scientologists believe that
> most human problems can be traced to lingering spirits of an
> extraterrestrial people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million
> years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters" to individuals in
> the contemporary world, causing spiritual harm and negatively influencing
> the lives of their hosts."
>
> - Judge Leonie Brinkema; US DISTRICT COURT, EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA,
> Alexandria Division, in Civil Action No 95-1107-A
> -- end quote --

I am the wrong person to be in awe of judges. Check the Yahoo
newsgroups out, as AMOJ. They post every day about how lawless judges
are.
What she cites is not original SCN. Brinkema didn't get her facts
straight.

>
> So, we're all being affected by a massive massacre of aliens 75
> million years ago? And they were transported here in DC-8 spacecraft, and
> killed by chaining them to volcanos and having H-bombs detonated on them?

I believe that we thetans (souls) came from other places of the
universe, but perhaps there were some native earthlinks here, that
were not transported to that remote place in the universe.

I think that the volcanoes ARE the results of such bombings.

>
> Oh, well, no problemo. If that's what you want to believe, why
> should I or anyone else care? I don't and I suspect no one else does either.
> I, personally, feel scn is an outright scam, but heyyy.

Because you buy the SEGNPMSS version of SCN.

So what? People who
> are close to me feel events on earth can be (and are) affected by the
> position of stellar bodies. Again, so what? Either way, it makes no
> difference to me. It's only when their activites affect me or those I care
> for that I become upset.

Where do you come from? What are your ideas to your "creation" or
existance?

>
> You know, in spite of the scn reliance on word clearing and the
> constant presence and use of dictionaries, the thought never occurs to you
> and the scn leadership that perhaps their organisation is being treated no
> differently from any other outright criminal organisation that is based
> largely on fraud. And that this is PROSECUTION, not PERSECUTION

You said that, I did not. I posted before that the affidavit that says
that David Miscavige shall take over SCN is not signed by L. Ron
Hubbard but by Jack Marshall the impostor.

I also disagree that the SCN reserves, mainly made in the USA are in
Europe. I think the Germans want to get the money, they are trying
hard to become Europa's official leaders.

>
> >And finally, as far as Quentin, Diana, Suzette and Arthur are
> >concerned, they are the biological children of the real L. Ron
> >Hubbard, but not the biological children of Mary Sue.
>
> Considering some of them were fathered by Hubbard before he married
> Mary Sue, that's not s'prising. Hubbard was married to three different women
> in his life, after all.

That is not correct either. Ron was married only one time to Sarah de
Rothschild, my mother. After she was killed during childbirth upon
orders of SEGNPMSS he stayed widowers for all of his life.

>
> >However, Ron did not father them, he did not know of their existance.
> >Doctors stole his sperm and used it. Do you really think that if Ron would
> >have known of them and fathered them that he would given them the lousy bit
> >of inheritance that they got?
>
> Considering Quentin committed suicide comfortably before Hubbard's
> death, I'm not s'prised at the paucity of his inheritance.

He did not commit suicide. SEGNPMSS agents rushed in, made him
unconscious and carried him in the car and lead the fumes in. He was
murdered.

As for Hubbard
> not knowing of their existance, I s'pose the photo of him and Mary Sue and
> Suzette, Quentin, Arthur, and Diana is one of those blatant forgeries you
> rant about too..

Sure, photos can be forged and they were.

>
> --
> jimbo@sonic.net
>
> "In my judgement it [Scientology] is corrupt, sinister, and dangerous. It is
> corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit, and has as its real
> objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard, his wife, and those close to him
> at the top. It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to
> its adherents who do not toe the line unquestioningly and to those outside
> who criticise or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture
> people, especially children and impressionable young people, and
> indoctrinate and brainwash them so that they become the unquestioning
> captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living, and
> relationships with others." Justice Latey, 1984

Once again, I met so many corrupt judges that I can't approach them
with "your honors" but rather "you snakes".

Most of the judges never investigate facts. They have their mind made
up before and just act upon what their case officer is channeling them
through their ear implants, just like the rest of the people.

Barbara Schwarz