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From: BarbaraSchwarz@excite.com (Barbara Schwarz)
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Subject: Re: Apostates lies, but other ARS posters too
Date: 2 Sep 2003 13:44:08 -0700
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steff0@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns93E9278DE366Eohawerhatmeintokscho@216.65.98.9>...
> BarbaraSchwarz@excite.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> news:8385d874.0308311257.52b50a84@posting.google.com:
>
> > steff0@s.netic.de wrote in message
> > news:<Xns93E81817190F8ohawerhatmeintokscho@216.65.98.9>...
> >> BarbaraSchwarz@excite.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> >> news:8385d874.0308301445.65c1f425@posting.google.com:
> >>
> >> > steff0@s.netic.de wrote in message
> >> > news:<Xns93E7440255EDFohawerhatmeintokscho@216.65.98.9>...
> >> >> BarbaraSchwarz@excite.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> >> >> news:8385d874.0308280910.2a3b1faa@posting.google.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> > And the infiltrators lie too. It's a business of lies.
Lies,
> >> >> > lies and more lies. The Scientology "critics"
lie, the extremist
> >> >> > lie, the infiltrators in the orgs lie.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Detecting millions of lies is the most important thing
in
> >> >> > finding the truth about Scientology.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Check what L. Ron Hubbard said about lies, and no,
he was not
> >> >> > for it, but strictly against lying.
> >> >>
> >> >> Barbara, when did the imposter take over, do you know?
And by
> >> >> which forces empowered?
> >> >> Because the guy, that most have seen as LRH is a dozenfold
proofed
> >> >> to have been a lier.
> >> >>
> >> >> steff
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >There will be technology not far from now
> >> >> > that will detect the liars and alarms will go off
whenever
> >> >> > somebody is not telling the truth. Which means, where
I am, it
> >> >> > will be very quiet, but where you guys are it will
be extemly
> >> >> > noisy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Barbara Schwarz
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well, that is actually an interesting question, Steffan or
Sitzfan,
> >>
> >> I am an eitherfan, sometimes an orfan.
> >>
> >> > when did the imposter take over?
> >> >
> >> > I am a 100 percent sure
> >>
> >> How?
> >
> > I am no eyewitness but a spiritual witness. I felt it when it
> > happened.
>
> Where have you been, when you felt that?
>
> >Upon orders of the still existing Nazi secret service (that
> > also turns against German citizens as you in times)doctors rushed in
> > and they killed Ron with deadly injections. They took his body to a
> > lab were they studied him, esp. his brain, to determine why he was so
> > incredible bright and not willing to be run by them as other people,
> > etc.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >that Ron was murdered in early May 1984.
> >>
> >> You could say so. The impostor had stumbled over his own feed, or
> >> better, over little boys and girls, that ran around calling themself
> >> Ron.. The struggle for power was over then.
> >> Well, I left the SO in early may 84. Do you know Halflife? I had
a
> >> visit from a guy from Hemet in a suit, in the sauna in aosh dk in
> >> 83.. Autschh, now there is the shit on the fan;-)
> >> But I know the exit..
> >
> > Huh?
>
> That's an allusion at the contents of the computer game halflife. There
> is a guy, Gordon Freeman, who helps scientists and himself to escape from
> a collapsed secret project reactor ground. It's a huge underground
> complex. On his way out, state military tries to prevent the escape, in
> order to keep the project a secret.
> All through the game, you see occasionally, behind the windows of a lab,
> in the distance at a staircase, while you are battling your way along, a
> guy, top dressed, with suit and suitcase, watching occassionally the
> scene He looks rather arrogant, very, very cool...
> It is the most wellknown shoot and run action game,
> http://www.contaminated.net/half-life/gordon.shtm
>
> >
> >>
> >> >The
> >> > impostor, Jack Marhall that is, took Ron's role completely
over in
> >> > May 1884.
> >>
> >> Se had a hundred years to drill;-)
> >>
> >> >But I suspect that he and perhaps other impostors were at it
all
> >> > the time misleading the people it would be Ron.
> >> >
> >> > (Saddam Hussein has allegedly ten Doppelgaengers, and yes,
I
> >> > believe those two dead guys are not his sons, despite the metal
> >> > plate.)
> >> >
> >> > And tell me, Steffan,
> >>
> >> It is Stefan, Barbara, I take the second f in the nick for faster
> >> pronounciation.
> >
> >
> >> >as a German, why are those people called by the
> >> > German name Doppelgaenger? Are Doppelgaenger a German invention?
Do
> >> > the Germans clone them? I might be at something here, correct?
> >>
> >> You could say so:-)
> >> It was the works of german writers and psychoanalists, that had
> >> briefly embedded this term in their works, to give rise for a need
of
> >> the decision, to either try to translate it, or keep it, as what
it
> >> ment. For example the golem from Meyrink treats the idea, works
of
> >> Rank, Freud, and others. It was as well an idea figurative besides
> >> the objective meaning.
> >
> > I think that animal cloning is deliberately sabotaged to make the
> > world believe that there would be no human clones.
>
> That is not unthinkable. But, frankly, it will be only for specific
> setups, that this suggested puppet system would provide an advantage.
> It will be some years more, and one can take a 3 dimensional print of
> someone, and animate it good enough, to produce flawless 'live' tv shows.
> But it's true, for criminal minds, this might look tempting.
> It is also a way, to take over a regime seamless;-)
>
> >I think the Germans
> > are messing around here once more.
>
> Barbara, isn't it a pity, that you become so fast unfair, when you are
> angry. What you say, is a rude accusation.
> It is far in the opposite.
> Since ww2, german authorities were scrupulous and reluctant in enforcing
> liberal laws. Example: Painkillers. Because of the euthanasia laws in the
> Nationalsocialism, germany has today one of the strictest prescription
> systems all over the world, and only a fraction of the painkillers used
> in the world is allowed here, namely the morphine based medicaments
> available are a fraction of what's sold ww.
> There were and are intense and fierce debates over the matters of
> genetical research, and Germany certainly will be one of the most
> conservativly acting governments to install laws. In fact, the Europian
> Nations, because of their partly much more liberal views are for many a
> nuissance here and excite fear.
I am talking about the German secret services, Stefan, not about the
PR work and activities of the German government.
>
> >
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, my own true and absolutely convincing, no doubt at
all
> >> > recollections are that Ron were at other places, e.g. with
Marty
> >> > and I, when other people claimed he was with them. Now, how
is that
> >> > possible? That means that others are either lying or they saw
and
> >> > met the Doppelgaenger(s) that did who knows what under the
name L.
> >> > Ron Hubbard.
> >>
> >> Well, one interesting idea, how would it be, to find something
> >> written by 'Ron'(the impostor), from a time, where one of the people
> >> here was present, when it was originated, and that you like and
would
> >> say to have to agree to?
> >> For example, Gerry was on the ship, when the supposed to be Hubbard
> >> wrote stuff. Gerry isn't lieing, when he describes the time on the
> >> ship, and it's not only months, but years.
> >
> > Gerry Armstrong isn't lying? Lol. Trying to pull me leg? Gerry knows
> > me. I recognized him on the 70s photos that somebody posted. He sailed
> > with us.
>
> Ok.
>
> >I think
>
> Why do you say, 'I think' here? If he sailed with you?
Yes, I remember him.
>
> >that Gerry met the real L. Ron Hubbard and the
> > impostors, but is lying about how the real Ron was.
>
> Why would he do that, Barbara.
> Have you been through his web site? Looked into his face, over the years?
> Don't you see a fan for truth, if you meet one?
>
> >He lies about the
> > good character of L. Ron Hubbard.
>
> Why should he? He was with this person for years on the ship, don't you
> think, Gerry is too intelligent, to impure his own life by not telling
> it, how it was?
Because the German secret service is running Gerry Armstrong. They
also help him to hide in Germany and set him up with the "pastor".
> He was the one, that wanted to honour LRH and lay good ground for
> effective public relations, by putting a truthful biography an the road.
> And he went into contact with a writer for that purpose, that had written
> a whole book prior *in favour* of the COS, Omar Garrison.
> So, does that not proof to you, that Gerry was a wellmeaning and believer
> in the cause?
> Why don't you give yourself the kick, and just imagine, what in the head
> of Gerry must have begone, when he went through the personal things of
> Hubbard (that had been abandonded or neglected by staff as not valuable
> enough to care for), and found boxes full of documents, that contradicted
> almost by each and every one the fama, that existed so far about Hubbard?
> That Gerry then, in the process of puzzling together the story, still was
> determined, to save the cause and try to convince the involved people,
> that the truth was the only substance good enough for this church to
> forward? I mean, that is embarrassing, that you call Gerry a liar!
> He was the biggest chance, that this org had, to get straight, and she
> blew it.
When you are finished with trying to pull my leg, Stefan, let me know.
>
> >He knows that there were impostors.
> > He also knows about Marty and my marriage. But Gerry is not the only
> > one. There are 100s of Scientologists and infiltrators who know about
> > that and witnessed my marriage with Marty.
>
> Well, Barbara, then put at least some of them on paper, and we contact
> them.
>
> steff
>
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz
> >
> >
> >
> > Were they ashore? Afloat? How would the
> >> communication have been going on? I say that, because you seem to
> >> refer to a time before 84, where you say, Hubbard was actually at
> >> other places, namely even with you. How could he have agreed on,
that
> >> someone else actually wrote policy or bulletins in his name?
> >>
> >> steff
> >>
> >> >
> >> > A disgusting and criminal world it is.
> >> >
> >> > Barbara Schwarz
> >> >
> >