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From: BarbaraSchwarz@excite.com (Barbara Schwarz)
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Subject: Re: Apostates lies, but other ARS posters too
Date: 31 Aug 2003 13:57:54 -0700
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steff0@s.netic.de wrote in message news:<Xns93E81817190F8ohawerhatmeintokscho@216.65.98.9>...
> BarbaraSchwarz@excite.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> news:8385d874.0308301445.65c1f425@posting.google.com:
>
> > steff0@s.netic.de wrote in message
> > news:<Xns93E7440255EDFohawerhatmeintokscho@216.65.98.9>...
> >> BarbaraSchwarz@excite.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in
> >> news:8385d874.0308280910.2a3b1faa@posting.google.com:
> >>
> >> > And the infiltrators lie too. It's a business of lies. Lies,
lies
> >> > and more lies. The Scientology "critics" lie, the
extremist lie,
> >> > the infiltrators in the orgs lie.
> >> >
> >> > Detecting millions of lies is the most important thing in finding
> >> > the truth about Scientology.
> >> >
> >> > Check what L. Ron Hubbard said about lies, and no, he was not
for
> >> > it, but strictly against lying.
> >>
> >> Barbara, when did the imposter take over, do you know? And by which
> >> forces empowered?
> >> Because the guy, that most have seen as LRH is a dozenfold proofed
to
> >> have been a lier.
> >>
> >> steff
> >>
> >>
> >> >There will be technology not far from now
> >> > that will detect the liars and alarms will go off whenever
somebody
> >> > is not telling the truth. Which means, where I am, it will
be very
> >> > quiet, but where you guys are it will be extemly noisy.
> >> >
> >> > Barbara Schwarz
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, that is actually an interesting question, Steffan or Sitzfan,
>
> I am an eitherfan, sometimes an orfan.
>
> > when did the imposter take over?
> >
> > I am a 100 percent sure
>
> How?
I am no eyewitness but a spiritual witness. I felt it when it
happened. Upon orders of the still existing Nazi secret service (that
also turns against German citizens as you in times)doctors rushed in
and they killed Ron with deadly injections. They took his body to a
lab were they studied him, esp. his brain, to determine why he was so
incredible bright and not willing to be run by them as other people,
etc.
>
> >that Ron was murdered in early May 1984.
>
> You could say so. The impostor had stumbled over his own feed, or better,
> over little boys and girls, that ran around calling themself Ron..
> The struggle for power was over then.
> Well, I left the SO in early may 84. Do you know Halflife? I had a visit
> from a guy from Hemet in a suit, in the sauna in aosh dk in 83..
> Autschh, now there is the shit on the fan;-)
> But I know the exit..
Huh?
>
> >The
> > impostor, Jack Marhall that is, took Ron's role completely over in May
> > 1884.
>
> Se had a hundred years to drill;-)
>
> >But I suspect that he and perhaps other impostors were at it all
> > the time misleading the people it would be Ron.
> >
> > (Saddam Hussein has allegedly ten Doppelgaengers, and yes, I believe
> > those two dead guys are not his sons, despite the metal plate.)
> >
> > And tell me, Steffan,
>
> It is Stefan, Barbara, I take the second f in the nick for faster
> pronounciation.
> >as a German, why are those people called by the
> > German name Doppelgaenger? Are Doppelgaenger a German invention? Do
> > the Germans clone them? I might be at something here, correct?
>
> You could say so:-)
> It was the works of german writers and psychoanalists, that had briefly
> embedded this term in their works, to give rise for a need of the
> decision, to either try to translate it, or keep it, as what it ment.
> For example the golem from Meyrink treats the idea, works of Rank, Freud,
> and others. It was as well an idea figurative besides the objective
> meaning.
I think that animal cloning is deliberately sabotaged to make the
world believe that there would be no human clones. I think the Germans
are messing around here once more.
> >
> > Anyway, my own true and absolutely convincing, no doubt at all
> > recollections are that Ron were at other places, e.g. with Marty and
> > I, when other people claimed he was with them. Now, how is that
> > possible? That means that others are either lying or they saw and met
> > the Doppelgaenger(s) that did who knows what under the name L. Ron
> > Hubbard.
>
> Well, one interesting idea, how would it be, to find something written by
> 'Ron'(the impostor), from a time, where one of the people here was
> present, when it was originated, and that you like and would say to have
> to agree to?
> For example, Gerry was on the ship, when the supposed to be Hubbard wrote
> stuff. Gerry isn't lieing, when he describes the time on the ship, and
> it's not only months, but years.
Gerry Armstrong isn't lying? Lol. Trying to pull me leg? Gerry knows
me. I recognized him on the 70s photos that somebody posted. He sailed
with us. I think that Gerry met the real L. Ron Hubbard and the
impostors, but is lying about how the real Ron was. He lies about the
good character of L. Ron Hubbard. He knows that there were impostors.
He also knows about Marty and my marriage. But Gerry is not the only
one. There are 100s of Scientologists and infiltrators who know about
that and witnessed my marriage with Marty.
Barbara Schwarz
Were they ashore? Afloat? How would the
> communication have been going on? I say that, because you seem to refer
> to a time before 84, where you say, Hubbard was actually at other places,
> namely even with you. How could he have agreed on, that someone else
> actually wrote policy or bulletins in his name?
>
> steff
>
> >
> > A disgusting and criminal world it is.
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz
> >