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Roberto Diaz wrote:
<poor english snipped>
>>>>>>>> before the Justice Court Room, to day the justice know
>>>>>>>> very well, the activities of Co$ and Osa Against me,
<poor english snipped>

Mike Gormez wrote:
>>>>>>> Why do you need an attorney for?

Roberto Diaz wrote:
>>>>>> If I wants go against Co$ like part and penaly,
>>>>>> like demandant I nedds an attorney
<poor english snipped>

Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>>>>> You should nost waste your money and time to go after
>>>>> a religion, Rodi.
>>>>> Spend your money on learning better english.

anonymous.infor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Roberto Diaz's english is so hard to follow. I think
>>>> he also has poor judgement:

Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>>> And that is even worse than his english, AI.

anonymous.infor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Roberto Diaz has selected refences: Mike Gormez, Arnie
>>>> Lerma, Andreas Heldal-Lund, Jesse Prince, Margaret Singer,
>>>> David Touretzky, Margery Wakefield and very few others.
>>>> Most of these people have dossiers on
>>>> www.religiousfreedomwatch.org.

Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>>> And My goodness, what a fool.

anonymous.infor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> And Roberto Diaz also credits PENTHOUSE (interesting
>>>> source for someone who claims to be a Christian).

Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>>> Yuck!

anonymous.infor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Also, Roberto Diaz references biased, erroenous and
>>>> outdated magistrate opinions based upon poor
>>>> investigation.

Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>>> That guy can't think for himself, he just foreward propaganda.

anonymous.infor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Roberto Diaz has decided not to respect copyright laws.
>>>> On his website Robert has a full text posting followed by
>>>> "Copyright (c) 1980 by L. Ronald Hubbard", yet he has not
>>>> been granted the specificied copy right by the copyright
>>>> owner.

Barbara Schwarz wrote:
>>> Roberto, you may be headed for jail one day.

Larry Toomajan (L...@toomajan.org) wrote:
<snip>

Larry Toomajan's source is the faulty researcher
Gerry Armstrong. A dossier on Gerry can be found at
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/armstrong1.h=ADtml

"The investigation caught Armstrong on videotape stating
that he intended to forge and then plant incriminating
documents on Church premises, to be discovered in a
subsequent raid."

Rick Ross wrote:
<snip>

"HE [Rick Ross] HAS A TREMENDOUS CAPACITY TO DENY THE
SERIOUSNESS OF PROBLEMS WHICH HE FACES"
- Thomas P. O'Brien, M.D.

"He [Rick Ross] does not seem to profit from his past experiences
and cannot realize that what he does is socially unacceptable
and dangerous and does not realize that he has a responsibility
to society to control his behavior."
- Domiciano E. Santos, M.D., Arizona State Hospital Report

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/RICK_ROSS_AND_THE_ROSS_INSTI=
TUTE.PDF

The PDF document includes Rick Ross quotes admitting his
involvement in deprogramming, and copies of numerous
documents including educational background documentation,
university reports, letters, criminal complaints,
police investigations, investigators documentation,
mug shots, hospital reports, bankruptcy reports,
lawsuits, court documentation, plea agreements,
court orders, verdicts, probation officer reports,
probation violation reports, and newspaper articles.

- Anonymous

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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/index.html

FALSE EXPERTS?

"To bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance."
- George Washington

There are those individuals who present themselves as
"experts" on religion, whose purposes appears to us to be
self-aggrandizement or personal profit.

When investigated, their true motives and activities have
been found to be quite different from those they portray
to the public and the media.

The facts on these individuals are given here so the public
will not be deceived by these so-called experts. Read on,
and decide for yourself if you would hire these people for
religious expertise.

FORD GREENE
[http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/greenf.html]

STEVEN HASSAN
[http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/hassan1.html]

STEPHEN KENT
[http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/kent1.html]

TED PATRICK
[http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/patrick1.html]

RICK ROSS
[http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/rossr1.html]

MARGARET SINGER
[http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/singer01.html]

HANA WHITFIELD
[http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/whitfield1.html]

JERRY WHITFIELD
[http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/whitfield1.html]

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org

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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/RICK_ROSS_AND_THE_ROSS_INSTI=
TUTE.PDF

RICK ROSS AND THE "ROSS INSTITUTE"

Although Rick Ross promotes himself as a professional "cult
expert", a review of his educational background shows that
quite apart from being anti-Christian (he refers to Christians
as Bible bangers) has no religious educational credentials
whatsoever. To the contrary, his only formal education is a
high school diploma. Self-aggrandizement and personal
financial reward seem to be Ross' primary motive for his
attacks on Christians and members of other faiths.

As documented herein, an unbiased review of Ross' activities
overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that Ross systematically
engages in anti-social and often illegal activity and disguises
this in the name of "help." "Deprogramming," which appears to
be his main source of income, is such an activity.

Ross specializes in garnering media attention to create fear
and suspicion in the family members of individuals in minority
religious groups. He then exploits this fear to get them to
pay him thousands of dollars in fees to coerce people out of
their chosen religious affiliation. Close scrutiny of Ross'
"successful" deprogrammings very often finds broken families
and dehumanized individuals who were coreced, lied to,
brainwashed and degraded by deprogrammers into renouncing
their religious beliefs.

Public records reveal that Ross has been the subject of at least
three arrests, including an attempted burglary, embezzlement of
$100,000 worth of jewelry from a jewelry store, and kidnapping.
Thow of these arrests resulted in convictions. In the third,
Ross' co-conspirators plead guilty to lesser charges while Ross
evaded being found guilty. Ross was sued civilly by the victim
in the same kidnapping incident and was punished by the jury
for over $3 million in compensatory and punitive damages.

Although Ross claims in media interviews that his criminal
activity ceased with the 1975 jewelry heist, which he brushes
off as an act of his youth for which he has taken responsibility,
Ross has continued his pattern and practice of criminal activity
against others. For example, in the above mentioned civil
kidnapping case, the verdict issued by the jury stated that Ross
had "acted recklessly in a way that is so outrageous in
character and so extreme as to go beyond all possible bounds of
decency and to be regarded as atrocious and utterly intolerable
in a civilized community."

As a further note on Ross' predisposition to criminal behavior
and violation of the rights of others, when Ross challenged the
finding in the civil kidnapping case, the Court upheld the
punitive damages award and observed, "A large award of punitive
damages is also necessary under the recidivism and mitigation
aspects of the factors cited in Haslip. Specificially, the
Court notes that Mr. Ross himself testified that he had acted
similarly in the past and would continue to conduct
'deprogrammings' in the future."

Ross' criminal activity in this kidnapping case single-handedly
brought about the demise to the Cult Awareness Network, which
was exposed to be a criminal referral network for kidnappers.
The jury also issued a finding against CAN for $1.8 million,
which bankrupted the group.

Rick Ross' character was further demonstrated when he filed
for personal bankruptcy in the face of the $3 million judgement
against him. As part of the bankruptcy, Ross discharged a
$17,500 debt to his elderly mother.

Despite these arrests and censure from the crouts, Ross has not
reformed and has continued to commit criminal and anti-social
acts. For example he blatantly admits on his web site that he
has commiteed over a dozen involuntary deprogrammings
(kidnappings) on adult individuals, mainly Christians, and
at least that many more on minors. Ross neatly omits these
matters when establishing himself with media and instead
focuses only on the 1975 arrests which he attempts to dismiss
as "his youth" although he was 22 years old.

The Ross Institute is Ross' latest money scam. The "Institute"
is actual a mail drop just across the street from Ross'
apartment in Jersey City, which he shares with a Haryonto
Soedarpo. Though Ross and Soedarpo have shared the same
apartment since at least 1998 in New Jersey and earlier in
Phoenix, Soedarpo's role in the Ross Institute is nebulous.
Soedarpo, like Ross, has no degree in religious studies or
counseling. While Ross promotes the "Institute" as a
tax-exempt, non-profit organization and solicits donations
from the public, the "Institute" is clearly a front and
promotional arm for Ross' deprogramming business.

More...
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/RICK_ROSS_AND_THE_ROSS_INSTI=
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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/armstrong1.html

GERALD ARMSTRONG

Gerald Armstrong is a former clerk in a Scientology church.

In former days, Armstrong hatched a plot to seize the Church's
assets in collaboration with the Los Angeles IRS Criminal
Investigation Division.

When the Church discovered this, its attorneys obtained
permission from a Los Angeles police officer to conduct an
investigation into Armstrong's plans. The investigation caught
Armstrong on videotape stating that he intended to forge and
then plant incriminating documents on Church premises, to be
discovered in a subsequent raid. When challenged on how he
would obtain proof of the allegations he intended to make, he
responded that: "We don't have to prove a goddam thing. We
don't have to prove shit. We just have to allege it."

As part of the same scheme, Armstrong planned to subvert a
senior Scientology executive using sexual enticement in a scheme
he titled "Operation Long Prong." This is documented both in
his own handwriting and on video.

Since fleeing California, Armstrong, a native Canadian, has
lived in British Columbia, Canada, and appears to have no
gainful employment. Yet he has somehow managed to travel all
over the world in pursuit of his hate agenda.

In 2000, Armstrong traveled to Europe to attend an anti-
religious conference in Leipzig, Germany.

In 2001, Armstrong traveled extensively in Europe, joining in a
hate march in France with extremist Roger Gonnet and visiting
anti-religious groups in Russia and Denmark. At a meeting of
hate groups in Russia, Armstrong met with deprogramming
proponent Alexander Dvorkin.

In addition to his unlawful activities, Armstrong's mental
stability is questionable. Armstrong once posted a message on
the Internet concerning a letter he sent to Saddam Hussein
during the Gulf War. In the letter, he offered himself to
Hussein as a hostage in the Iraqi war. "If either side failed
to perform any part of the agreement, the other side could
execute me," he concluded. Armstrong makes clear in his posting
that he did not think the letter to Hussein was a joke, but was
deadly serious. He quite proudly republishes it and other
similar writings from time to time. To further demonstrate how
out of touch he is with reality, Armstrong had himself
photographed by a newspaper naked while holding a globe to
promote his theories of destroying all money.

The following is what Gerry Armstrong's "friends" think of him:

Rob Clark: "Gerry Armstrong flat-out walked off [the Church of
Scientology] with a bunch of stuff when he left. ... what
Armstrong did would otherwise have been theft. ... I'm disgusted
with warrior [Mark Plummer]. I was not particularly pleased
when he signed off on that c---sucker Armstrong smearing me with
his dumbass ...page. ... Armstrong is totally kooking out"

Rob Clark: "... you want to see the new nuttiest Gerry Armstrong
hate page ever? The animated kicking is supposed to signify
Armstrong jerking as the electroshock hits. Any time anyone
else suggests that maybe this is kooky, they get a new wing
added to the Armstrong hate gallery just for them. I didn't
realize Armstrong was more than mildly kooky until recently."

Paul Rubin: "I used to hang out with Armstrong a fair amount.
He had a zealot and maybe paranoid streak but wasn't whacko like
this."

Rob Clark: "Where anyone who disagrees with Armstrong's
continuing lunatic rampage gets added. If they really disagree
with his lunacy, they get their own whole section as an "op"
with wacky animated gifs."

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Rob Clark: "Gerry Armstrong accused her [Katherine Harris] of
being Aldrich Ames."

Stephen Sheehan: "He said this, in seriousness."

[Name Deleted]: "He [Gerry Armstrong] is a complete idiot."

Rob Clark: "He's a vicious psycho is what he is."

[Name Deleted]: "He doesn't actually believe that, does he?"

Rob Clark: "If he does believe it, he's insane and if he
doesn't, he is deliberately libeling someone just because they
disagree with his loony bullshit."

Stephen Sheehan: "Stupid Gerry Armstrong."

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Scott Pilutik: "Martin Ottmann got his own wing in the Gerry
kook-o-fame."

Deana Holmes: "God Gerry's a nutball."

Scott Pilutik: "It's ok, it's for legal reasons the expected
insanity defense."

Elizabeth Fisher: "Gerry nuts =3D3D prominent critic, ergo, all
critics are nuts. This is kinda serious, albeit a tad
farfetched."

Ed Hammerstrom: "Hiya ef [Elizabeth Fisher]"

Elizabeth Fisher: "Are you too a fan of Gerry's osa pages?"

Ed Hammerstrom: "Not really."

Elizabeth Fisher: "It gets worse and worse he now added Martin
Ottmann."

Scott Pilutik: "Martin gets his own dedicated page. It's not
quite as telling as Arnie's subdirectories. He makes a new one
each time it seems, each less descriptive and more useless as
the last. He [Gerry Armstrong] never used to be this kooky. He
always had a sort of Jebus complex but it never quite germinated
into the messiahdom it is now."

Elizabeth Fisher: "No. he always had the messiahdom but now, it
seems, it is being encouraged. I mean, someone makes those
pages for him I presume, Caroline [Letkeman]."

Scott Pilutik: "No idea how the dynamics of that relationship
work, but I think it's safe to say she's [Caroline Letkeman]
encouraging some seriously kooky behavior or pushing for it."

Elizabeth Fisher: "Yes, that is what I see too. ... She
[Letkeman] really is so foolish as to believe all his
[Armstrong] delusions?"

Kady O'Malley: "She's [Letkeman] obsessed with occult links."

Elizabeth Fisher: " ... she [Letkeman] appeared in Chilliwack,
where he [Armstrong] was residing."

Kady O'Malley: "The one interesting tidbit I note about Caroline
is that until late 2001 possibly 2002 she had a listed online
webpage. After she had become a visible critic under her own
name."

Elizabeth Fisher: "His [Armstrong] insanity is getting worse and
she [Letkeman] must be encouraging it."

Kady O'Malley: "...but the thing is, you read Gerry from 1997,
1998 it's like a different person."

Ed Hammerstrom: "He [Armstrong] definitely is going crazy, seems
to me. I think he has had alcohol problems in the past."

Kady O'Malley: "Ed, if you were his girlfriend, wouldn't you be
doing something other that (sic) encourage him in this? I mean,
I find it bizarre that she'd not only not be trying to wind him
down but actively instigating."

Elizabeth Disher: "He's [Armstrong] always been totally
paranoid."

Ed Hammerstrom: "I have to conclude they are both in a crazy
self-destructive path."

Rob Clark: "Loonboy [Armstrong] has declared Martin Ottmann an
osa op??

"What a f---ing NUTCASE that is just unf---ingbelievable. ...
I think she [Lekteman] is just yet another wigout who was only
marginally sane because of the relative discipline of the cult
and now, released of this, is totally batshit along with her
totally batshit Gerry. Sorry, anyone who thinks Martin Ottmann
is an osa op has fried their f---ing brain and needs to be under
observation in a locked ward."

Kady O'Malley: "We're all agreed on Gerry being insane. Don't
tell warrior [Mark Plummer]."

Elizabeth Fisher: "Gerry really really wanted someone to web
stuff for him but at the time, it was his hokey no money
'philosophy' pages."

Kady O'Malley: "... they're [Armstrong and Letkeman] both just
going mutually crazy, symbiotic psychosis."

Rob Clark: "... marginally nutty critics would sure explain a
couple things, like Arnie. Heather drove Bunker insane, their
relationship was completely platonic."

Elizabeth Fisher: "He [Armstrong] is getting worse."

Rob Clark: "I don't think he [Armstrong] went crazy that fast
I think it is just only recently that he has been called on his
bullshit by a lot of people."

Kady O'Malley: "Well, the first time I noticed it was in 2001ish
that's relatively quick he probably would have kooked out
insanely in 1998 if he had been called on the carpet on some
thing. You might be right."

Rob Clark: "He [Armstrong] was crazy a couple years ago re CL.
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event, he just went nuts. ... When you're accusing Martin
Ottmann of being OSA you're completely in cloud cuckoo land.
Martin Ottmann could very easily sue him for libel and win in
Germany these are very nearly summary proceedings. Martin could
file a libel action claiming these accusations are libelous and
false and Gerry would either have to prove them or get fined.
You know when he [Gerry Armstrong] went crazy with me? When I
posted the transcript section detailing his money laundering.
Seems he viciously attacks anyone who has anything that might
tend to discredit his bullshit image as some saint instead of
the shiftless, sponging kook he actually is."

Ed Hammerstrom: "Gerry has a heavy alcohol problem. ... He was
building an artwork of his empty booze bottles in a field in
BC."

Rob Clark: "Although this freakish paranoia is like speed or
coke paranoia that or he smokes way too much dope. ... It's also
possible Gerry has never had a huge website before in which his
lunacy could sprawl out without limit and that Caroline is
merely an amanuensis to Gerry's insanity."

[Name Deleted]: "Is Gandow supporting him [Armstrong]?"

Kady O'Malley: "Morally or financially?"

[Name Deleted]: "Financially."

Kady O'Malley: "Gandow has been mighty silent of late."

[Name Deleted]: "Well if Gandow is getting money ... or anybody,
it may be an issue because he gets government money I believe he
or his church."

Elizabeth Fisher: "Gandow may just be realizing that Gerry is
nuts, is all he's a bit naive, Gandow."

[Name Deleted]: "Gandow is pretty vile himself."

Robert Clark: "He's despicable, god, talk about an insane
asylum: Truth Seeker, Magoo, Warrior, Zinj, Fredric Rice."

Ed Hammerstrom: "...is off and quiet."

Rob Clark: "yah, if you don't, you end up like Gerry is lately.
He has now just declared Martin Ottmann an OSA op for no sane
reason. He's totally gone off the deep end."

Stephen Sheehan: "He's [Armstrong] saying everyone and their
grandparents are OSA."

Rob Clark: "I ended up having warrior [Mark Plummer] repost old
.=2E. shit on me because I pointed out that Gerry got fooled by a
blatantly forged email. Anyway, this is the sort of stuff that
can't appear sane to a casual onlooker which is why, IMO, ars
[hate newsgroup] is bad for mental health. I am more and more
seeing it [ars] as a data dump than as a place where there are
actual human beings who can be communicated with in a sane
manner."

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